Peugeot 505 Profile

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Peugeot 505 General Information

For engine notes, and why engine size is named in the model ident, see the STI variation story.

If you thought the 505 would naturally take over from Peugeot's hugely successful African and long distance heritage with 404, 504 and 504 Coupé models, you were going to be very disappointed. Yes, the 505 was turned into a rally car, but it seemed impossible for Peugeot to find a fitting program for it. The 505 was neither available as a Coupé, nor (at least for some time) as a V6. Therefore it was never going to be the needed step forward from the 504 Coupé V6 in African terms. And for size and weight the 505 was even more unlikely going to be a match to the Sunbeam Lotus program on European sprint rallies. The Sochaux team eventually was thinking of replacing the African/marathon 504s with a groupB, alloy shell, RWD 305 V6, but the project was killed off in the dawn of the 205 T16.

Surprisingly the g2/gA 505 hit the scene with a bang. Peugeot Talbot Sport Deutschland was the first to prepare a 505 STI and sent it with Holger Bohne and Peter Diekmann to the Tour d'Europe. Tour d'Europe was a once very famous long distance event, starting at the Nürburgring, the rally would go through Austria, CZ, Hungary, Romania, Greece, Tunesia (yes, Africa), Atlas Mountains (Algeria), Morocco (Africa), Spain, Portugal and France back to the Nürburgring. And on its competition debut (for the STI version), the 1981 Tour d'Europe, the Peugeot 505 was a very convincing winner ahead of a works Toyota Celica. The 505 was as well a famous "road car" in Africa, but African rally drivers never really liked it. That 2 years later Peugeot was to homologate a 504 Pick Up into groupB on customer request says it all!

Mind you, Peugeot as well as their team Alain Ambrosino and Daniel le Saux won the African titles 1983 with the 505! And in 1984 the title went to David Horsey in the 504 Pick Up!

The Sochaux competitions department, that so far was responsible for the 504 Coupé V6, had another interesting idea for the 505: They turned a 505 Diesel into a rally car to prove that diesel is not at all as conservative as people believe. The rallied version was a turbo charged version, to test, develop and prove a new technology: the world's first diesel-turbo road car was the Peugeot 604 in 1979! What sounds like a modern idea even today turned into respectable success already back then. Of course a 505 Diesel was an unlikely outright winner, but it had massive torque and alone the fact that it managed to finish in the top10 of the 1981 Rally Acropolis (which is better than Mercedes' 4 car 450SLC team managed the year before!) shows that it was a more respactable car than many would want to believe. In fact this is the only time ever a diesel engined car managed a top10 finish at WRC level to date (last updated 2015, 34years on)!!!!

The most exciting 505 version, the 505 Turbo maybe shouldn’t even be here in this database. In contrast to the other 505 versions here, the Turbo was groupA and not group2 and it was never seen at WRC level. Unfortunately the 505 Turbo was not on the market until 1986, otherwhise this could have been a fitting replacement for the 504 Coupé V6. To show the time frame, intentions and problems, Peugeot Sport actually did have a French championship program 1986 with a 2-car team: a groupB 205 T16 284 FVF 75 and a groupA 505 Turbo 290 FVF 75. This could have been the start of bigger things in groupA rallying. But the car only came in 1986, and if the FRC program was a test for more, 1987 was the launch of groupA only regulations with a 300BHP limit. WRC maybe never was interesting for this car for size and being RWD, but the 300BHP limit was also a problem. Our file shows 350BHP, which – believe it or not – was still a secretely estimated minimum figure for private drivers rallying the 505 Turbo in France until the mid 1990s. Unbelievable, Peugeot had a circuit racing program with the 505 Turbo and here the same 2155cc turbo base engine could deliver up to 580BHP!!!! (Don’t believe? Here photos and data sheet of a Danielsson run example http://leverdie.club.fr/505_Superproduction.htm )

Maybe the most crazy contrast rallying has ever seen:
May the 505 Turbo rally car have been mainly in private hands and never at WRC level, as by many rumours the “de-tuned” version was still way above the groupA limit. Until the mid 1990s it was potentially the most spectacular groupA rally car the French scene had to offer. It certainly was a spectacular contrast having this supposed to be boring and rather very large 4-door saloon car go absolutely wild with over 400NM torque on the rear wheels! As if your secretary in her most old fashioned, boring grey uni-coloured and closed to the top cardigan, wearing horn-rimmed spectacles and her hair in a bun, suddenly turns out to be the world’s greatest nymphomaniac, this large and conservative looking 505 Turbo provided a show with plenty of white smoke coming from the rear wheel arches and a sidepipe exhaust below the drivers door spitting metre long flames. Honestly. I mean it has a bigger engine and a bigger turbo than a Sierra Cosworth, the rest you have to have seen to believe it, and I did. The name Eric Rallet may not ring a bell to anyone, but I saw him a couple on times in a semi works 505 Turbo on the Rallye Alsace-Vogues, the show enhanced by this car being painted plain mouse grey, and honestly I can't remember having seen more flames and more tyre smoke on any other rally car!
 

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Peugeot 505 Evolutions

 
 
Model & Evo. (Activity)
 
BHP@
RPM
Torque
(Nm)@
RPM
Length
Width
Height
Weight
(Kg/BPM
Ratio)
 
Trans.
(W'base)
Peugeot 505 SRDT 2.3 (Diesel) (80-82) 150/4150 245/2000 4580.1720.1450 1355 (9) RWD (2740)
Peugeot 505 STI 2.2 (82-83) 170/5250 220/3500 4580.1720.1450 1235 (7.3) RWD (2740)
Peugeot 505 Turbo Injection (0-0) 350/5200 418/2850 4580.1740.1436 1245 (3.55) RWD (2740)

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Peugeot 505 Results

This is an unofficial Car Results list and may be incomplete.

Pos Event Driver Co-Driver # Rego hh:mm:ss
23rd. 1983 WRC Rally of Finland S. Junnila T. Tuominen #104 [UNKNOWN] 0:00:00
5th. 1983 WRC Bandama Rallye A. Ambrosino D. le Saux #7 [UNKNOWN] 14:22:00
32nd. 1982 WRC Rallye Monte Carlo C. Laurent D. Laurent #20 [UNKNOWN] 0:00:00
21st. 1982 WRC Tour de Corse C. Laurent D. Laurent #15 [UNKNOWN] 0:00:00
14th. 1982 WRC Rallye San Remo G. del Zoppo B. Tognana #40 [UNKNOWN] 0:00:00
5th. 1982 WRC Bandama Rallye A. Ambrosino J. Fauchille #15 [UNKNOWN] 19:43:00
39th. 1981 WRC Rallye Monte Carlo C. Laurent J. Marché #39 [UNKNOWN] 0:00:00
47th. 1981 WRC Rallye Monte Carlo C. Dorche B. Dondoz #52 [UNKNOWN] 0:00:00
46th. 1981 WRC Rallye Monte Carlo J. Trintignant M. Hoepfner #69 [UNKNOWN] 0:00:00
60th. 1981 WRC Swedish Rally C. Dorche B. Dondoz #54 [UNKNOWN] 0:00:00
20th. 1981 WRC Tour de Corse C. Laurent J. Marché #60 [UNKNOWN] 0:00:00
10th. 1981 WRC Acropolis Rally C. Laurent J. Marché #37 [UNKNOWN] 0:00:00
15th. 1981 WRC Rallye San Remo C. Laurent J. Marché #99 [UNKNOWN] 0:00:00
18th. 1980 WRC Acropolis Rally C. Laurent J. Marché #58 [UNKNOWN] 0:00:00
25th. 1980 WRC Acropolis Rally C. Dorche . UNKNOWN #63 [UNKNOWN] 0:00:00
13th. 1980 WRC Rally of Finland H. Väänänen T. Tuominen #35 [UNKNOWN] 0:00:00
15th. 1980 WRC Tour de Corse C. Dorche B. Dondoz #53 [UNKNOWN] 0:00:00
14th. 1980 WRC Tour de Corse C. Laurent J. Marché #46 [UNKNOWN] 0:00:00

Peugeot 505 Retirements

This is an unofficial Car Model Retirements list and may be incomplete.

Pos Event Driver Co-Driver # Rego Reason
Ret. 1987 WRC Acropolis Rally R. Streit . UNKNOWN #40 [UNKNOWN] SS99 ?
Ret. 1985 WRC Rally of Finland R. Streit . UNKNOWN #87 [UNKNOWN] SS34 ?
Ret. 1985 WRC Acropolis Rally R. Streit J. Bichet #57 [UNKNOWN] SS99 ?
Ret. 1985 WRC Acropolis Rally S. Zele J. Maigret #70 [UNKNOWN] SS99 ?
Ret. 1984 WRC Acropolis Rally R. Streit J. Maigret #44 [UNKNOWN] SS99 ?
Ret. 1982 WRC Rally of Finland H. Väänänen T. Tuominen #33 [UNKNOWN] SS11 ?
Ret. 1981 WRC Rally of Great Britain C. Laurent D. Laurent #55 [UNKNOWN] SS10 turbo
Ret. 1981 WRC Bandama Rallye C. Laurent J. Marché #23 [UNKNOWN] SS42 oil leak
Ret. 1981 WRC Rally of Finland C. Laurent J. Marché #42 [UNKNOWN] SS4 ?
Ret. 1981 WRC Rally of Finland S. Junnila . UNKNOWN #57 [UNKNOWN] SS4 crash
Ret. 1980 WRC Acropolis Rally P. Toujan . UNKNOWN #67 [UNKNOWN] SS99 ?