Fiat 124 Spider Profile

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Fiat 124 Spider General Information

Fiats generally may have been seen in rallies longer than Lancia, but Fiat's works involvement was more a reaction to Lancia doing so first. The two makes and their actions were closely linked already back then. Fiat's involvement over many years was in form of supporting privateers using i.e. the compact Fiat 850 or the Fiat 125 Saloon. Then, in 1969 already Fiat's daughter, Lancia started running their Fulvia HF model as a works car with considerable success. Whatever strategy was behind it, Fiat wanted to be as successful as daughter Lancia in that category. Such Fiat's first proper works entries started not long after Lancia and they even choose a car that was designed for the same market as the Lancia Fulvia HF: the Fiat 124 Spider. OK, on closer looks you find differences, the Fiat was a Spider and it was RWD as opposed to Lancia's FWD Coupé. As well the engines were different, despite fairly similar power output, the Fiat had a 1.8 4-cylinder in line while the Lancia had a 1.6 V4. So far the basic and important layout differences.

But the other point is Fiat indeed only started rallying as a works team after Lancia had first image building successes in doing so. It is maybe the wrong term saying "Fiat has overlooked that...", what other car should Fiat have choosen at the time. The situation was in any case that the Fulvia had a unique, convenient layout, plus when Lancia turned a works team with the Fulvia, their car was an evolution from 3 years rally experiences with lesser versions of the Fulvia, even if semi official. When the Fiat 124 Spider debuted in rallying to match the Fulvia, the car was from the very same market segment, but had a less fortunate layout and no rally experiences to built on! This meant not only had Fiat some catching up to do, on the paper their car had a bigger engine too, but it was in fact less powerful and in a heavier shell!

Latter, the weight aspect, needs a further mention. Fiat did actually do the clever thing and pitched a plastic hardtop spider against Lancia's full steel coupé. But the Lancia was FWD and the Fiat was RWD. This should make an interesting comparison, same market segment cars by the same mother company, yet in the whole principle different layouts requiring different driving styles. The RWD may have been more fun to watch and in many situations with better traction, but the car was heavier and despite same extirior size less compact. Not much Fiat could do here.

So they had to find something in the engine to catch up with the cleverly designed Fulvia. And this is why we only list 1 version of the Lancia Fulvia, but 3 of the Fiat 124. For engine work and also for the time frame:

When Lancia started as a proper works team in 1969, the Lancia Fulvia HF 1.6 was a fully developped rally winner. When Fiat started as a works team some months later, their 124 Spider also had a 1.6 engine but was quite down in power compared to its lighter sister. And although the Fiat 124 Spider became a very famous rally car of its era, this gap was very difficult to catch up. Exactly with the beginning of the WRC, on the Rallye Monte Carlo 1973, Fiat presented a 1.8 litre version of their car, that tuned with the help of Abarth now exactly matched the 165BHP figure of the Lancia Fulvia V4. Only by now Lancia already had 4 years of experience with their equally as powerful car! In fact despite this disadvantage we saw some exciting fights between Fiat 124 & Lancia Fulvia on the WRC events 1973 & 1974.

Fiat eventually surpassed the Lancia Fulvia in power. It seemed nearly a desperate method when they increased the displacement of their famous "1800" engine from 1756cc to 1839cc, but importantly from Monte Carlo 1975 they had a 16v cylinder head plus injection replacing carburators. (There were also experiments with a mid-engined Fiat X1/9 coupé with both these 124 Spider engine variations – which is hard to fit in anywhere and therefore is found in the _others_, _ancient_ manufacturer section.) Now the 124 Spider was not only one of Fiat's most characterful designs ever, it could reliably outperform its arch rival, the Lancia Fulvia.

There was only one tiny detail that was wrong with the car: Already 3 months earlier Lancia debuted a group4 version of their Stratos - wonder why Fiat hated it?!!!
 

Fiat 124 Spider Related Content


Fiat 124 Spider Evolutions

 
 
Model & Evo. (Activity)
 
BHP@
RPM
Torque
(Nm)@
RPM
Length
Width
Height
Weight
(Kg/BPM
Ratio)
 
Trans.
(W'base)
Fiat 124 Spider Abarth (73-76) 165/7200 162/5200 3910.1630.1240 980 (5.9) RWD (2280)
Fiat 124 Spider Abarth 16v (75-76) 201/8000 190/6000 3910.1630.1240 980 (4.9) RWD (2280)
Fiat 124 Spider Sport (0-0) 150/7200 165/8000 3970.1610.1340 1020 (6.8) RWD (2280)

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Fiat 124 Spider Results

This is an unofficial Car Results list and may be incomplete.

Pos Event Driver Co-Driver # Rego hh:mm:ss
43rd. 1982 WRC Rallye Monte Carlo C. Spiliotis . UNKNOWN #122 [UNKNOWN] 0:00:00
8th. 1976 WRC Rallye Monte Carlo R. Cambiaghi B. Scabini #5 [UNKNOWN] 0:00:00
6th. 1976 WRC Rallye Monte Carlo M. Alen I. Kivimäki #7 [UNKNOWN] 6:42:31
15th. 1976 WRC Rallye Monte Carlo M. Verini F. Rossetti #2 [UNKNOWN] 0:00:00
6th. 1976 WRC Rallye San Remo L. Lorenzelli M. Necco #14 [UNKNOWN] 0:00:00
2nd. 1975 WRC Rallye Monte Carlo H. Mikkola J. Todt #2 [UNKNOWN] 6:29:05
3rd. 1975 WRC Rallye Monte Carlo M. Alen I. Kivimäki #10 [UNKNOWN] 6:29:46
4th. 1975 WRC Rallye Monte Carlo F. Bacchelli B. Scabini #12 [UNKNOWN] 6:47:02
5th. 1975 WRC Swedish Rally I. Carlsson C. Billstam #6 [UNKNOWN] 7:39:30
6th. 1975 WRC Swedish Rally M. Alen I. Kivimäki #5 [UNKNOWN] 7:49:25
1st. 1975 WRC Rallye de Portugal M. Alen I. Kivimäki #4 [UNKNOWN] 6:24:15
2nd. 1975 WRC Rallye de Portugal H. Mikkola J. Todt #1 [UNKNOWN] 6:26:58
2nd. 1975 WRC Rallye San Remo M. Verini F. Rossetti #14 [UNKNOWN] 10:25:40
8th. 1975 WRC Rally of Great Britain M. Verini F. Rossetti #11 [UNKNOWN] 6:17:59
1st. 1974 WRC Rallye de Portugal R. Pinto A. Bernacchini #2 [UNKNOWN] 6:26:15
2nd. 1974 WRC Rallye de Portugal A. Paganelli N. Russo #8 [UNKNOWN] 6:30:12
3rd. 1974 WRC Rallye de Portugal M. Alen I. Kivimäki #6 [UNKNOWN] 6:37:17
10th. 1974 WRC Safari Rally R. Ulyate I. Smith #38 [UNKNOWN] 15:13:00
19th. 1974 WRC Rally of Finland A. Paganelli N. Russo #14 [UNKNOWN] 0:00:00
18th. 1974 WRC Rally of Finland S. Barbasio P. Sodano #15 [UNKNOWN] 0:00:00
3rd. 1974 WRC Rally of Finland M. Alen I. Kivimäki #3 [UNKNOWN] 3:13:52
6th. 1974 WRC Rally of Finland L. Kinnunen A. Aho #5 [UNKNOWN] 3:17:54
9th. 1974 WRC Rally of Finland A. Ojanen . UNKNOWN #25 [UNKNOWN] 3:21:35
2nd. 1974 WRC Rallye San Remo G. Bisulli F. Rossetti #12 [UNKNOWN] 9:20:30
2nd. 1974 WRC USA Press on Regardless Rally M. Alen A. Aho #7 [UNKNOWN] 5:35:10
12th. 1974 WRC Rally of Great Britain R. Aaltonen P. Easter #8 [UNKNOWN] 0:00:00
24th. 1974 WRC Rally of Great Britain A. Paganelli N. Russo #21 [UNKNOWN] 0:00:00
14th. 1974 WRC Rally of Great Britain L. Kinnunen A. Aho #16 [UNKNOWN] 0:00:00
6th. 1974 WRC Tour de Corse F. Bacchelli B. Scabini #5 [UNKNOWN] 5:26:27
7th. 1973 WRC Rallye Monte Carlo R. Pinto A. Bernacchini #5 [UNKNOWN] 5:52:14
5th. 1973 WRC Swedish Rally H. Lindberg S. Andreasson #2 [UNKNOWN] 9:40:47
4th. 1973 WRC Rallye de Portugal . Netto . Coenttro #15 [UNKNOWN] 6:10:50
8th. 1973 WRC Safari Rally R. Ulyate I. Smith #23 [UNKNOWN] 0:00:00
6th. 1973 WRC Rally Morocco B. Waldegaard F. Sager #6 [UNKNOWN] 15:59:43
2nd. 1973 WRC Acropolis Rally R. Aaltonen R. Turvey #12 [UNKNOWN] 7:45:39
4th. 1973 WRC Acropolis Rally H. Lindberg A. Hertz #3 [UNKNOWN] 7:57:21
1st. 1973 WRC Rally Poland A. Warmbold J. Todt #4 [UNKNOWN] 8:22:00
8th. 1973 WRC Rally of Finland A. Warmbold J. Todt #122 [UNKNOWN] 5:09:43
6th. 1973 WRC Austrian Alpine Rally H. Lindberg . UNKNOWN #3 [UNKNOWN] 4:06:15
6th. 1973 WRC Rallye San Remo A. Paganelli N. Russo #9 [UNKNOWN] 8:14:31
2nd. 1973 WRC Rallye San Remo M. Verini . Torriani #12 [UNKNOWN] 8:07:34
4th. 1973 WRC Rallye San Remo G. Bisulli . Zanuccoli #17 [UNKNOWN] 8:13:05
5th. 1973 WRC Rallye San Remo S. Barbasio B. Scabini #7 [UNKNOWN] 8:13:38
10th. 1973 WRC Rally of Great Britain S. Barbasio G. Macaluso #19 [UNKNOWN] 7:10:14
19th. 1973 WRC Rally of Great Britain M. Verini N. Russo #28 [UNKNOWN] 0:00:00

Fiat 124 Spider Retirements

This is an unofficial Car Model Retirements list and may be incomplete.

Pos Event Driver Co-Driver # Rego Reason
Ret. 1983 WRC Rallye Monte Carlo C. Spiliotis . UNKNOWN #66 [UNKNOWN] SS99 ?
Ret. 1976 WRC Tour de Corse L. Lorenzelli M. Necco #15 [UNKNOWN] SS99 ?
Ret. 1975 WRC Rally of Great Britain M. Alen I. Kivimäki #7 [UNKNOWN] SS99 engine
Ret. 1975 WRC Rallye San Remo M. Alen I. Kivimäki #2 [UNKNOWN] SS99 gearbox
Ret. 1975 WRC Rallye San Remo R. Cambiaghi B. Scabini #18 [UNKNOWN] SS99 ?
Ret. 1975 WRC Rallye San Remo A. Paganelli N. Russo #8 [UNKNOWN] SS99 crash
Ret. 1975 WRC Rallye de Portugal A. Paganelli N. Russo #6 [UNKNOWN] SS99 steering
Ret. 1975 WRC Rally Morocco M. Alen I. Kivimäki #1 [UNKNOWN] SS99 suspension
Ret. 1975 WRC Rally Morocco B. Waldegaard C. Andersson #2 [UNKNOWN] SS99 gearbox
Ret. 1975 WRC Rally Morocco B. Darniche A. Mahé #3 [UNKNOWN] SS1 electrics
Ret. 1975 WRC Swedish Rally H. Mikkola J. Todt #3 [UNKNOWN] SS99 crash
Ret. 1975 WRC Rallye Monte Carlo B. Darniche A. Mahé #6 [UNKNOWN] SS99 engine
Ret. 1974 WRC Tour de Corse B. Darniche A. Mahé #8 [UNKNOWN] SS99 differential
Ret. 1974 WRC Tour de Corse G. Pianta F. Rossetti #21 [UNKNOWN] SS99 suspension
Ret. 1974 WRC Tour de Corse M. Alen I. Kivimäki #1 [UNKNOWN] SS99 disqualified
Ret. 1974 WRC Tour de Corse R. Pinto A. Bernacchini #11 [UNKNOWN] SS99 crash
Ret. 1974 WRC Rally of Great Britain I. Carlsson B. Reinicke #47 [UNKNOWN] SS99 crash
Ret. 1974 WRC USA Press on Regardless Rally S. Barbasio F. Rossetti #10 [UNKNOWN] SS99 ?
Ret. 1974 WRC USA Press on Regardless Rally M. Verini . Torriani #68 [UNKNOWN] SS99 ?
Ret. 1974 WRC USA Press on Regardless Rally A. Paganelli N. Russo #3 [UNKNOWN] SS99 ?
Ret. 1974 WRC USA Press on Regardless Rally J. Pérusse J. Bellefleur #17 [UNKNOWN] SS99 gearbox
Ret. 1974 WRC Rideau Lakes Rally J. Pérusse J. Bellefleur #110 [UNKNOWN] SS99 gearbox
Ret. 1974 WRC Rideau Lakes Rally A. Paganelli N. Russo #104 [UNKNOWN] SS99 ?
Ret. 1974 WRC Rideau Lakes Rally M. Alen I. Kivimäki #102 [UNKNOWN] SS99 crash
Ret. 1974 WRC Rallye San Remo S. Barbasio P. Sodano #10 [UNKNOWN] SS99 engine
Ret. 1974 WRC Rallye San Remo M. Alen I. Kivimäki #3 [UNKNOWN] SS99 steering
Ret. 1974 WRC Rallye San Remo A. Paganelli N. Russo #8 [UNKNOWN] SS99 crash
Ret. 1974 WRC Rallye San Remo R. Pinto A. Bernacchini #5 [UNKNOWN] SS99 crash
Ret. 1974 WRC Rallye San Remo M. Verini G. Macaluso #1 [UNKNOWN] SS99 crash
Ret. 1974 WRC Rallye San Remo F. Bacchelli B. Scabini #7 [UNKNOWN] SS99 crash
Ret. 1974 WRC Rallye San Remo L. Lorenzelli . UNKNOWN #39 [UNKNOWN] SS99 ?
Ret. 1974 WRC Rally of Finland M. Oksala . UNKNOWN #57 [UNKNOWN] SS12 ?
Ret. 1974 WRC Safari Rally A. Paganelli N. Russo #20 [UNKNOWN] SS99 engine
Ret. 1974 WRC Safari Rally S. Barbasio P. Sodano #3 [UNKNOWN] SS99 clutch
Ret. 1974 WRC Rallye de Portugal S. Barbasio P. Sodano #11 [UNKNOWN] SS99 crash
Ret. 1974 WRC Rallye de Portugal . Netto . UNKNOWN #18 [UNKNOWN] SS99 ?
Ret. 1973 WRC Rallye San Remo R. Pinto A. Bernacchini #4 [UNKNOWN] SS99 suspension
Ret. 1973 WRC Rallye San Remo F. Bacchelli F. Rossetti #19 [UNKNOWN] SS99 transmission
Ret. 1973 WRC Austrian Alpine Rally R. Pinto A. Bernacchini #10 [UNKNOWN] SS99 crash
Ret. 1973 WRC Austrian Alpine Rally A. Paganelli N. Russo #14 [UNKNOWN] SS99 engine
Ret. 1973 WRC Rally Poland A. Paganelli N. Russo #3 [UNKNOWN] SS99 engine
Ret. 1973 WRC Acropolis Rally A. Paganelli N. Russo #8 [UNKNOWN] SS99 steering
Ret. 1973 WRC Rally Morocco R. Aaltonen J. Davenport #2 [UNKNOWN] SS99 steering
Ret. 1973 WRC Rallye de Portugal R. Pinto A. Bernacchini #6 [UNKNOWN] SS99 suspension
Ret. 1973 WRC Rallye de Portugal A. Paganelli N. Russo #2 [UNKNOWN] SS99 engine
Ret. 1973 WRC Rallye de Portugal B. Waldegaard H. Thorszelius #4 [UNKNOWN] SS99 crash
Ret. 1973 WRC Rallye Monte Carlo A. Paganelli N. Russo #8 [UNKNOWN] SS99 clutch
Ret. 1973 WRC Rallye Monte Carlo S. Barbasio G. Macaluso #14 [UNKNOWN] SS99 gearbox
Ret. 1973 WRC Rallye Monte Carlo B. Waldegaard H. Thorszelius #2 [UNKNOWN] SS99 crash