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Peugeot 205 General Information

This car was a big story. So far since the existence of the WRC Peugeot has been an extremely successful brand, but they never actually chased championships. Peugeot concentrated on specialised programs, if it was the 404, 504 & 505 for African and long distance rallies or 304 & 104 as budget tarmac sprint rally cars. They all were successful at the rallies they were designed for, but none of them was entered as an alrounder into a full championship program. That attitude of Peugeot only changed when their daughter company Talbot won the makes WRC 1981 with a seriously underfunded project. In fact at first Peugeot took the Talbot program not even overly serious. With all their specialised projects Peugeot had very good experiences for a variety of events and with the WRChampionship the British based Talbot Sunbeam Lotus won, Peugeot had the right engineers and managers with the perfect spirit.

So in San Remo 1981 it was decided that the Talbot project was stopped - they had freshly won the makes WRC title, but with groupB cars like Audi Quattro, Lancia Rally and R5 Turbo, there was no hope the conventional Sunbeam could repeat this giant killing act. Instead Jean Todt - the navigator to Guy Fréquelin in the Talbot - was appointed the new director of a brand new sports department called Peugeot Talbot Sport, the very outfit that now runs the Peugeot 206 & 307 WRC. A lot of the Talbot engineers moved to the new team base and the team grew bigger with engineers straight from Automobiles Peugeot.

Only 2 years later the Peugeot 205 T16 was ready. And what a fantastic car it was. It combined all the goodies of the other groupB cars all in one with some of Peugeot's own ideas and own ways added to it. Curiously it had a transversely mounted mid engine, which is an extremely unusual layout. With the exception of Talbot's Matra range (Bagheera, Murena) and the Lancia Stratos all mid engined cars until then had a longitudinally mounted engine. On the 205 T16 the engine was in typical Peugeot style located to the right with gearbox and radiators to the left to counter balance the engine.

When the car had its debut in the Tour de Corse 1984, already first stage times were so promising that all the competitors were in disbelieve and deep shock. It was Ari Vatanen's weakest surface and he had never started on Corsica before, yet he utterly demolished the opposition stage after stage until a crash halted him on the last day. On this occasion Jean-Pierre Nicolas in the 2nd 205 T16 became the only man ever to complete the legendary Liamone-Suariccio stage in less than an hour! At this point the competitors tried for excuses. General opinion was that the transverse to the right mounted engine contradicted the mid-engine layout and was crying for inbalance on anything but asphalt. They were right, but in a different way than expected. The new car performed well in rough Acropolis, but a major design error became evident over the jumps in the 1000 Lakes Rally in Finland. Peugeot's attention to detail was such that the heaviest moving parts assembly, crankshaft and gearbox main shaft was located exactly at the centre of gravity of the whole car. And incredible, somehow understandable the engineers didn't think of that: once airborne the car now started rotating around this transverse mounted crankshaft/flywheel/clutch/mainshaft like a helicopter minus rear rotor: if the driver accelerated the nose would rotate up, if he didn't the nose would dive. And still it was Finland where the T16 celebrated its first big victory. Fine tuning followed and when in Monte Carlo 1985 even an 8min time penalty couldn't stop Peugeot to win by over 5min, the competition again was in deep shock, but not surprised!

The 205 T16 lead the first WRC event it started and it won already its 3rd rally - which was the start of an amazing series for a new car: 6 WRC wins in succession in only its first 8 starts! Not even any of the most successful modern WRCars managed that. The car was so mind blowing that in 1984, in one of WRC's most competitive times, 5 starts were enough for Peugeot to become 3rd in the makes title battle! In only its first full season, 1985, Peugeot won the makes and the drivers WRChampionship as early as Finland and in 1986 Peugeot repeated the success: in 2 years they won 2 drivers and 2 makes titles! Out of 26 WRC events the 205 T16 started it won 16! The Peugeot 205 T16 was by far the most successful car of the famous groupB era!

The end of the 205 T16's WRC career came prematurely with the ban of groupB from the WRC. But even the groupB ban failed to kill this amazing car! Peugeot took the 205 T16 - and later the 405 T16, which was technically an evolution to the 205 T16 - to events as the Raid Paris-Dakar, which it won 4 times in a row, it won the World Raid Championship year after year and the 405 T16 version won the Pikes Peak hill climb in 1988 and 1989, its only 2 attempts and in a record time that stood for many years. And even that was not yet enough. When Peugeot quit raids and Citroën started winning Dakar and raid championships in the 1990s, Citroën's car was nothing but a 205/405 T16 with a ZX lookalike shell!

In fact, when the 205 T16 project started, Peugeot was heading for a very ambitious and brave program. The make, even though often claimed to be the super rich team of rallying, was right in contrary in big financial troubles with an image of being too conservative. The financial situation was so bad that the whole project was make or brake - and indeed the Talbot brand didn't survive the crisis. But with the 205 Peugeot had a new, good road car they pinned all their hopes on and Peugeot's marketing director at the time - a certain Corrado Provera - decided that a massive WRC program was the right way to market the 205 and raise Peugeot's image as a whole. How right he was and what a magic example for the value of rallying, you could seriously question if the Peugeot brand was still existing if it wasn't for the 205 T16's rally marketing success!
 

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Peugeot 205 Evolutions

 
 
Model & Evo. (Activity)
 
BHP@
RPM
Torque
(Nm)@
RPM
Length
Width
Height
Weight
(Kg/BPM
Ratio)
 
Trans.
(W'base)
Peugeot 205 T16 E1 (84-85) 340/8000 450/5000 3825.1674.1410 940 (2.7) 4x4 (2540)
Peugeot 205 T16 E2 (85-86) 450/7500 500/5500 3825.1674.1420 910 (1.8) 4x4 (2540)
Peugeot 205 T16 E3 & GR (*) (00-00) 0 0 0.0.0 0 (0) 0 (0)

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Peugeot 205 Results

This is an unofficial Car Results list and may be incomplete.

Pos Event Driver Co-Driver # Rego hh:mm:ss
2nd. 1986 WRC Rallye Monte Carlo T. Salonen S. Harjanne #1 [UNKNOWN] 10:15:28
5th. 1986 WRC Rallye Monte Carlo J. Kankkunen J. Piironen #4 [UNKNOWN] 10:39:47
6th. 1986 WRC Rallye Monte Carlo B. Saby J. Fauchille #8 [UNKNOWN] 10:45:54
12th. 1986 WRC Rallye Monte Carlo F. Metiffiot P. Bouvier #32 [UNKNOWN] 0:00:00
20th. 1986 WRC Swedish Rally P. Gardère J. Bufferne #41 [UNKNOWN] 0:00:00
1st. 1986 WRC Swedish Rally J. Kankkunen J. Piironen #4 [UNKNOWN] 5:09:19
5th. 1986 WRC Safari Rally J. Kankkunen J. Piironen #1 [UNKNOWN] 7:12:00
8th. 1986 WRC Safari Rally S. Mehta R. Combes #6 [UNKNOWN] 8:12:00
1st. 1986 WRC Tour de Corse B. Saby J. Fauchille #5 [UNKNOWN] 11:52:44
15th. 1986 WRC Tour de Corse . "Panic" . UNKNOWN #26 [UNKNOWN] 0:00:00
1st. 1986 WRC Acropolis Rally J. Kankkunen J. Piironen #5 [UNKNOWN] 7:20:01
3rd. 1986 WRC Acropolis Rally B. Saby J. Fauchille #9 [UNKNOWN] 7:29:55
1st. 1986 WRC Rally New Zealand J. Kankkunen J. Piironen #3 [UNKNOWN] 5:43:45
5th. 1986 WRC Rally New Zealand T. Salonen S. Harjanne #1 [UNKNOWN] 6:16:36
3rd. 1986 WRC Rally Argentina S. Blomqvist B. Berglund #2 [UNKNOWN] 6:40:42
1st. 1986 WRC Rally of Finland T. Salonen S. Harjanne #1 [UNKNOWN] 3:32:45
2nd. 1986 WRC Rally of Finland J. Kankkunen J. Piironen #3 [UNKNOWN] 3:33:09
4th. 1986 WRC Rally of Finland S. Blomqvist B. Berglund #5 [UNKNOWN] 3:35:22
1st. 1986 WRC Rally of Great Britain T. Salonen S. Harjanne #1 [UNKNOWN] 5:21:11
3rd. 1986 WRC Rally of Great Britain J. Kankkunen J. Piironen #5 [UNKNOWN] 5:27:16
4th. 1986 WRC Rally of Great Britain M. Sundström V. Silander #11 [UNKNOWN] 5:27:42
2nd. 1986 WRC USA Olympus Rally J. Kankkunen J. Piironen #1 [UNKNOWN] 5:29:36
1st. 1985 WRC Rallye Monte Carlo A. Vatanen T. Harryman #2 [UNKNOWN] 10:20:49
3rd. 1985 WRC Rallye Monte Carlo T. Salonen S. Harjanne #6 [UNKNOWN] 10:30:54
5th. 1985 WRC Rallye Monte Carlo B. Saby J. Fauchille #8 [UNKNOWN] 10:40:45
12th. 1985 WRC Rallye Monte Carlo P. Gardère J. Bufferne #34 [UNKNOWN] 0:00:00
1st. 1985 WRC Swedish Rally A. Vatanen T. Harryman #2 [UNKNOWN] 4:38:49
3rd. 1985 WRC Swedish Rally T. Salonen S. Harjanne #6 [UNKNOWN] 4:42:15
1st. 1985 WRC Rallye de Portugal T. Salonen S. Harjanne #6 [UNKNOWN] 8:07:25
7th. 1985 WRC Safari Rally T. Salonen S. Harjanne #6 [UNKNOWN] 9:09:00
2nd. 1985 WRC Tour de Corse B. Saby J. Fauchille #11 [UNKNOWN] 13:06:47
1st. 1985 WRC Acropolis Rally T. Salonen S. Harjanne #5 [UNKNOWN] 10:20:19
1st. 1985 WRC Rally New Zealand T. Salonen S. Harjanne #5 [UNKNOWN] 8:29:16
2nd. 1985 WRC Rally New Zealand A. Vatanen T. Harryman #2 [UNKNOWN] 8:30:33
1st. 1985 WRC Rally Argentina T. Salonen S. Harjanne #3 [UNKNOWN] 10:04:33
3rd. 1985 WRC Rally Argentina C. Reutemann J. Fauchille #1 [UNKNOWN] 10:35:47
1st. 1985 WRC Rally of Finland T. Salonen S. Harjanne #3 [UNKNOWN] 4:10:35
5th. 1985 WRC Rally of Finland K. Grundel P. Diekmann #1 [UNKNOWN] 4:21:03
2nd. 1985 WRC Rallye San Remo T. Salonen S. Harjanne #3 [UNKNOWN] 7:16:39
7th. 1985 WRC Rallye San Remo G. del Zoppo B. Tognana #9 [UNKNOWN] 7:58:02
4th. 1984 WRC Tour de Corse J. Nicolas C. Pasquier #12 [UNKNOWN] 13:44:50
1st. 1984 WRC Rally of Finland A. Vatanen T. Harryman #4 [UNKNOWN] 4:08:49
1st. 1984 WRC Rallye San Remo A. Vatanen T. Harryman #3 [UNKNOWN] 8:44:34
5th. 1984 WRC Rallye San Remo J. Nicolas C. Pasquier #8 [UNKNOWN] 9:13:16
1st. 1984 WRC Rally of Great Britain A. Vatanen T. Harryman #2 [UNKNOWN] 9:19:48

Peugeot 205 Retirements

This is an unofficial Car Model Retirements list and may be incomplete.

Pos Event Driver Co-Driver # Rego Reason
Ret. 1986 WRC USA Olympus Rally J. Woodner T. Sircombe #7 [UNKNOWN] SS1 crash
Ret. 1986 WRC Rallye San Remo P. Alessandrini A. Alessandrini #25 [UNKNOWN] SS10 crash
Ret. 1986 WRC Rallye San Remo A. Zanussi P. Amati #6 [UNKNOWN] SS32 disqualified - was not Ialian enough - from 5th
Ret. 1986 WRC Rallye San Remo A. Vatanen T. Harryman #0 [UNKNOWN] SS0 only course opening car for testing - crashed
Ret. 1986 WRC Rallye San Remo B. Saby J. Fauchille #9 [UNKNOWN] SS32 disqualified - was not Ialian enough - from 7th
Ret. 1986 WRC Rallye San Remo J. Kankkunen J. Piironen #4 [UNKNOWN] SS32 disqualified - was not Ialian enough - from 1st
Ret. 1986 WRC Rallye San Remo T. Salonen S. Harjanne #1 [UNKNOWN] SS13 crash
Ret. 1986 WRC Rally Argentina B. Saby J. Fauchille #4 [UNKNOWN] SS9 engine
Ret. 1986 WRC Rally Argentina J. Kankkunen J. Piironen #1 [UNKNOWN] SS16 suspension
Ret. 1986 WRC Acropolis Rally T. Salonen S. Harjanne #1 [UNKNOWN] SS29 suspension
Ret. 1986 WRC Tour de Corse M. Mouton F. Pons #10 [UNKNOWN] SS10 gear linkage
Ret. 1986 WRC Tour de Corse T. Salonen S. Harjanne #2 [UNKNOWN] SS8 crash
Ret. 1986 WRC Tour de Corse P. Gardère J. Bufferne #21 [UNKNOWN] SS99 ?
Ret. 1986 WRC Tour de Corse F. Metiffiot P. Bouvier #23 [UNKNOWN] SS99 ?
Ret. 1986 WRC Rallye de Portugal J. Kankkunen J. Piironen #7 [UNKNOWN] SS3 boycott
Ret. 1986 WRC Rallye de Portugal T. Salonen S. Harjanne #1 [UNKNOWN] SS3 boycott
Ret. 1986 WRC Swedish Rally T. Salonen S. Harjanne #2 [UNKNOWN] SS7 oil pipe froozen
Ret. 1986 WRC Rallye Monte Carlo M. Mouton T. Harryman #10 [UNKNOWN] SS15 oil pipe
Ret. 1986 WRC Rallye Monte Carlo P. Gardère J. Bufferne #27 [UNKNOWN] SS32 crash
Ret. 1985 WRC Rally of Great Britain T. Salonen S. Harjanne #1 [UNKNOWN] SS21 engine
Ret. 1985 WRC Rally of Great Britain K. Grundel T. Harryman #12 [UNKNOWN] SS20 crash
Ret. 1985 WRC Rally of Great Britain M. Sundström P. White #15 [UNKNOWN] SS50 crash
Ret. 1985 WRC Rallye San Remo B. Saby J. Fauchille #7 [UNKNOWN] SS38 engine
Ret. 1985 WRC Rally Argentina A. Vatanen T. Harryman #4 [UNKNOWN] SS1 crash
Ret. 1985 WRC Acropolis Rally A. Vatanen T. Harryman #2 [UNKNOWN] SS1 steering
Ret. 1985 WRC Tour de Corse A. Vatanen T. Harryman #2 [UNKNOWN] SS16 crash
Ret. 1985 WRC Tour de Corse T. Salonen S. Harjanne #6 [UNKNOWN] SS1 electrics
Ret. 1985 WRC Tour de Corse B. Darniche A. Mahé #14 [UNKNOWN] SS1 electrics
Ret. 1985 WRC Tour de Corse . "Panic" . UNKNOWN #33 [UNKNOWN] SS99 ?
Ret. 1985 WRC Tour de Corse P. Gardère J. Bufferne #28 [UNKNOWN] SS99 ?
Ret. 1985 WRC Tour de Corse F. Metiffiot P. Bouvier #29 [UNKNOWN] SS99 ?
Ret. 1985 WRC Safari Rally A. Vatanen T. Harryman #7 [UNKNOWN] SS65 engine
Ret. 1985 WRC Safari Rally B. Saby J. Fauchille #12 [UNKNOWN] SS18 crash
Ret. 1985 WRC Rallye de Portugal A. Vatanen T. Harryman #2 [UNKNOWN] SS21 crash
Ret. 1984 WRC Acropolis Rally A. Vatanen T. Harryman #3 [UNKNOWN] SS31 sump
Ret. 1984 WRC Acropolis Rally J. Nicolas C. Pasquier #12 [UNKNOWN] SS37 brakes
Ret. 1984 WRC Tour de Corse A. Vatanen T. Harryman #4 [UNKNOWN] SS20 crash