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 Re: WRC S2000Turbo future by RonSkoda

11-Dec-08 11:28 AM 

I am very eager to hear what the decision will be.

I tend to think the article in the printed version is right, and the online one means the same thing but is written badly.



 Re: WRC S2000Turbo future by Radiv

11-Dec-08 01:07 PM 

But I guess the online story is from today, and the printed one is older.

Hard to know for sure !



 Re: WRC S2000Turbo future by Chris B

12-Dec-08 04:10 AM 

Indeed hard to know. I read the linked article "based on" implementing a kit build on this base. This then would make sense also in previous talk. If you look at an S2000 on the stages in braking and cornering, they are miles ahead of N4 cars. While I never understood what their problem is adding a turbo to an S2000 car, of course to get an N4 car up to these S2000+T standards will be massively expensive!

I still have the worry that S2000 cars alone will soon be 400,000 Euros. As aired by others before, I don't like the sound of this assisted gear mechanism. Even groupB cars did not need that and I blame exactly these mechanisms for modern WRCars sounding so boring!



 Re: WRC S2000Turbo future by Radiv

12-Dec-08 07:28 AM 

We will know in a few hours !



 Re: WRC S2000Turbo future by Ron@Work

12-Dec-08 07:52 AM 

Confirmed, but STILL no detail!:

As already announced, the 2010 World Rally Car will be S2000 based. However, the removable kit, already adopted by the WMSC, will be redefined with no electronic benefits, or similar upgrades, to ensure cost reductions. The new S2000-based World Rally Car will only be permitted for use on World Rally Championship events.

The FIA Production Car World Rally Championship will be retained for Group N cars, including the existing S2000 car.



 Re: WRC S2000Turbo future by Radiv

12-Dec-08 12:27 AM 

"will be redefined with no electronic benefits, or similar upgrades"

Based on this I interpret this so the wheel gearchange is out - do you agree ?



 Re: WRC S2000Turbo future by Radiv

12-Dec-08 12:31 AM 

I was wrong:

From WRC.com:
The FIA World Motor Sport Council (WMSC) has announced further technical details of the future World Rally Car.
After meeting today in Monaco, the council reconfirmed that the 2010 World Rally Car will be based on an S2000 specification car.
However, the scope of the removable performance kit, already adopted by the WMSC to bring the car to WRC specification, has been redefined - with no electronic benefits, or similar upgrades, allowed on cost grounds.
Instead, the WRC kit is believed to be limited to a turbo, revised inlet and exhaust manifolds, a quicker gearshift mechanism (with steering wheel paddle shift) and an aero package consisting of a rear wing and front spoiler. The bolt-on kit will cost under 30.000 Euros and should give the cars an extra 50bhp.
The WMSC also decided that the new S2000-based World Rally Car will only be permitted for use on World Rally Championship events, and that the P-WRC will remain open to Group N cars, including the existing S2000 car.
The FIA also revealed that it is in exclusive negotiations with Ralliart Italy to supply and service Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution cars for the Pirelli Star Drivers to contest the designated 2009 and 2010 FIA World Rally Championship events.



 Re: WRC S2000Turbo future by RonSkoda

12-Dec-08 02:19 PM 

The one thing I don't understand is the "bolt on front spoiler and rear wing" Surely these will have to be tailored to each car?



 Re: WRC S2000Turbo future by Chris B

12-Dec-08 02:24 PM 

So far so good. Only 2 points of criticism (apart from the fact that I think we should move away from kit cars full stop):

1 - "a quicker gearshift mechanism (with steering wheel paddle shift)" Steering wheel paddle shift is perfectly fine to me, this is on road cars today. However listen to the gear change of a Focus WRC and to that of most other cars. We need a slower gear shift, not a quicker one! Even S2000 gear shift is too quick! Sounds strange in modern times, but this to me is a huge part why modern rally cars sound so boring! A Focus WRC sounds like a DAF Variomatic, and that just can't be right!

2 - Other than that I find the S2000 Turbo route so good, that I am annoyed it is limited to WRC only. Sorry, but IRC is so much better than WRC, with real rallies, that they should have the best cars. I also find it important that newcomers in national championships get to try the cars that are used at the top of WRC.



 Re: WRC S2000Turbo future by Gregor

12-Dec-08 02:51 PM 

If this is truly a bolt on kit of homologated parts that can be applied to any S2000 car this makes sense, but if WRC cars are going to be purpose built with the kit parts incorporated into the basic design, this means WR cars will be rare, in low demand, and will end up very expensive.



 Re: WRC S2000Turbo future by Nordschleife

12-Dec-08 02:51 PM 

To Chris B's post, on 12 Dec 08 02:24 PM

Couldn't agree more.



 Re: WRC S2000Turbo future by Chris B

12-Dec-08 05:40 PM 

@ Gregor Exactly. History has proven in BRC there was a better quality of international drivers and Brits had more of a chance to get to the top when they could use the same cars as at top level. Same in France, WRCars are stil valid today and people like Loeb, Sarrazin, Bengué, Vouilloz, etc made their name in them. If the new cars are exclusive for WRC only, they stay rare, they cant be sold, this makes them more expensive.

Ron "The one thing I dont understand is the "bolt on front spoiler and rear wing" Surely these will have to be tailored to each car"

Nope, here the first design of a custom bolt on WRC rear spoiler

httpwww.funpic.huen.picview.phpid25974

Fits any model of car, is totally sufficient for indoor superspecials and can be purchased as a kit Max for around 5,300 Euros plus tax, glue and material!



 Re: WRC S2000Turbo future by Chris B

12-Dec-08 05:40 PM 

Argh http://www.funpic.hu/en.picview.php?id=25974



 Re: WRC S2000Turbo future by Radiv

13-Dec-08 05:01 AM 

But it has to be a very low efficiency turbo if they only plan to take out 50 horsepowers from it ?

They are probably aiming more for torque then, or are they just aiming to improve the curves to get it more rally-friendly. How much more torque will it produce, ish ?





 Re: WRC S2000Turbo future by Chris B

13-Dec-08 06:39 AM 

Torque will be the main advantage. Plus there was talk of air restrictors plus boost limit, which would be a fantastic tool for level play field. Boost limit I heard 2bars, which should certainly provide more than 50BHP. If they have a similar air restrictor as now, S2000 + 50BHP would be around 330BHP, slightly more than current WRCars.


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