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 Re: WRC S2000Turbo future by starboardtac

19-Mar-09 05:06 AM 

I have seen a Golf TDI rally car - powered by bio-diesel no less.

Not the quickest, mind you, but sounds like a jet airplane taking off and smells like french fries.

 Re: WRC S2000Turbo future by Ron@Work

19-Mar-09 05:40 AM 

"Not the quickest, mind you, but sounds like a jet airplane taking off and smells like french fries."

Time to get McDonalds invlolved as a title sponsor?

 Re: WRC S2000Turbo future by Chris B

19-Mar-09 06:50 AM 

Here is Peugeot's first attempt at a 2011 hybrid WRCar. Still sounds like an S2000, doesn't it!

 Re: WRC S2000Turbo future by onthelimit

19-Mar-09 10:51 AM 

I hope FIA will have a new president in October and he will reconsider all this stupid situation with S2000. Max Mosley destroyed in one day both WRC and F1.

 Re: WRC S2000Turbo future by levingt

19-Mar-09 09:57 PM 

Well it is a democratic organisation...

 Re: WRC S2000Turbo future by Radiv

20-Mar-09 01:57 AM 

Ohh yea, democratic in our dreams !!!

Maybe we should try to change that ?

 Re: WRC S2000Turbo future by levingt

20-Mar-09 03:22 AM 

Just pointing out that even though MM is the front man for the FIA the decisions the WMSC make are not made by him alone. There are some tough decisions to be made and a lot of interests are represented and considered.

 Re: WRC S2000Turbo future by AndyRAC

20-Mar-09 04:51 AM 

While you're right - a lot of the people making decisions have no idea what they are voting on.
The whole FiA needs shaking up. A few questions? Why should the F1 Promoter get more say than the WRC Promoter? Why aren't both sports run similar - does F1 have rotation? So why does WRC?
Could go on, but I won't - we need a new President - one who is Rally friendly.

 Re: WRC S2000Turbo future by Radiv

20-Mar-09 04:55 AM 

My point is that all over the international athlete organisational world - none of the people working there is elected by the people they are supposed to be representing - and that is not good.

You suddenly get other priorities, and money start to play it part in this picture.

IT is not only FIA, it is the same in the Olympic movement, and for all other kinds of sport.

Many of the leaders do not have the athletes interess at heart - but have other agendas.

Look at the bunch of people in FIA running the rally comission, not a lot os specialists that have driven themselves, and know the sport !!!!

That is also why we end up with all the splendid solutions we have !!

 Re: WRC S2000Turbo future by Chris B

20-Mar-09 05:14 AM 

Democratic as far as many of the countries and people voting have indeed no idea, nor interest in motorsport and follow an uneducated route, or more intelligently follow what MM says as he is motorsports. I dont know what exactly happens behind the scenes, but 2 examples that have me speachless, if it is democratic decissions.

- When co-driver names disappeared rally cars, in a TV interview not even Max Mosley, representing the deciding parties, knew about this decission, he promised to ask what was the point of this and has never delivered the answer until today, nor attempted u-turn this stupid rule.

- S2000+T was a confirmed rule! Then Max in a single stand a lone statement said we should reconsider the turbo and everybody followed suit. Comments by Ford and Citroen meanwhile indicate that this was NOT the direction the manufacturers would have preferred!

 Re: WRC S2000Turbo future by Chris B

20-Mar-09 05:25 AM 

"Anyway, it seems not true that turbos were drooped from the original suggestion on manufacturer request. Last week VW has decided against joining the WRC, now Ford is considering leaving, and being all alone Citroen I can't see Citroen staying on to prove how they can beat themselves."

And somewheere else I found Olivier Quesnel of Citroen saying that Citroen's future is in rallying, but if the WRC will not switch to turbo engines after a short transition period, as is promised, he will run in severe trouble with Citroen as in what he has spent their money on!

 Re: WRC S2000Turbo future by Chris B

20-Mar-09 05:30 AM 

This text of mine should have been linked to this post:

"Early days and a vague report, but apparently Mark Deans has hinted to this German language site that banning turbos from future WRC could mean Ford quits the series. At least he is very strong in the points that turbos are the future and would make it even easier for new teams and a level play field."

"...Same day a German car magazin announces in road cars Ford is to turn 100 percent downsized common rail turbo, petrol as well as diesel, in 2-3 years time there will be no Ford atmo road car. – That would be by around 2012."

You want it any clearer that S2000 is not the future the manufacturers want? I believe we could deliver more, but 2 manufacturers is 100 percent in WRC.

 Re: WRC S2000Turbo future by RonSkoda

20-Mar-09 10:33 AM 

"You want it any clearer that S2000 is not the future the manufacturers want? I believe we could deliver more, but 2 manufacturers is 100 percent in WRC."

Ahhh, but the whole point is that we need more manufacturers.

I recently read that there was an overall fifty-fifty split in manufacturer opinion on this. I would imagine the manufacturers on the other side of that fence were Abarth and maybe Proton.

The FIA statement released said this week that the 1.6 turbo solution would be a "low cost 1.6 turbo unit" If they can make sure it actually will be low cost, then I am all for it (providing they can make them sound better than the current WRCs!)

 Re: WRC S2000Turbo future by Chris B

20-Mar-09 07:22 PM 

With Abarth, despite earlier statements, I would be very surprised they preverred non-turbo S2000. If they liked that, why was Abarth first to not offer a single non-turbo road car?

"providing they can make them sound better than the current WRCs!"

Basically agreed, but current WRCars do still sound better than the current S2000s!!!!

 Re: WRC S2000Turbo future by levingt

20-Mar-09 10:04 PM 

Just going back a few posts, its fairly obvious the sentiment is that fans, WRC and Rally are not adequately represented at the FIA.

Does anybody know who the members of the WMSC are? and the technical committee?

Now I heard MM mention taking fans seriously and saying they reviewed survey data carefully. Is that enough, who does the surveying, and what questions are they asking and to whom?

Would Ari make a better FIA president? perhaps Rally might get a better deal but he would most certainly have to deal with same influential people.

MM has done a lot for motorsport and the motoring industry, I can't say it for him, only to express my point, he would probably do the job regardless of the money involved...not sure about some of the others, perhaps MM should test out the services of those forensic accountants.

As an aside post enron with potentially 100's of millions of dollars at stake can MM be assured and the fans be assured the right checks and balances are in place to ensure absolute integrity.

NA kit cars sound awesome! and it is seemingly the end of an era so I'm going to sit back and soak it up.

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