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 Cyprus Rally by RonSkoda

12-Mar-09 09:59 AM 

Ok, Cyprus kicks off tomorrow morning with the first day's action on asphalt, except with gravel tyres and car setup.

Loeb is not impressed:

"It's a shame to have only done things by half.
We will be competing on asphalt with ill-suited brakes, tyres and suspension. The balance of our C4 WRC is still very good
with this set-up, but we are aware that we will need to look after our tyres to avoid punctures. It will probably be nice for
the spectators to see the cars sliding, but I don't think it will be all that stimulating for the drivers. The fact that we are
starting the weekend on asphalt won't encourage us to attack, either. What will be the point in being first overall on Friday
evening. That will mean facing road sweeping duty on the next day's loose stages? That said, this is not a strategy we will
be able to afford to adopt because we will be starting the weekend first on the road. Our objective will therefore be to build
up as big a lead as possible on the opening day."

He has a point about the road sweeping. Also, I can't see how not taking asphalt tyres is going to cut costs. They have to ship gravel tyres for the asphalt stages anyway and if anything this venture actually cost more due to extra testing requirements!

Anyhow, it will be interesting to see how it all goes!



 Re: Cyprus Rally by teamanager

12-Mar-09 11:19 AM 

Running the gravel tires on pavement may even prove to be entertaining - even Loeb says it might be nice for the spectators. Let's just enjoy it for that.....it's different. :)



 Re: Cyprus Rally by Ron@Work

13-Mar-09 04:18 AM 

Looks like the usual snooze-fest so far!



 Re: Cyprus Rally by Chris B

13-Mar-09 07:33 AM 

"He has a point about the road sweeping. Also, I can't see how not taking asphalt tyres is going to cut costs. They have to ship gravel tyres for the asphalt stages anyway and if anything this venture actually cost more due to extra testing requirements!"

For one the road sweeping, which potentially makes days 1 and 2 just more boring. The other is indeed the cost. Once again the FIA did this to save cost. Again a rally on unsuitable tyres. Testing has to be done anyway. They need something black on them rims anyway. And how much money have we saved if Atko crashes his Subi again, or similar....



 Re: Cyprus Rally by RonSkoda

13-Mar-09 08:48 AM 

Strangely, the three(!) S1600 cars are allowed to run asphalt tyres and are hence setting very good times.

Anyway, I hope Loeb can pull out a big enough lead to combat the stupid sweeping yet again.



 Re: Cyprus Rally by blatant

13-Mar-09 06:46 PM 

41 second lead over his team mate after the first leg? My tenuous interest has now gone completely. The WRC is turning into a parody. All this easy winning must be mighty dull for Loeb, its bloody awful for us!



 Re: Cyprus Rally by teamanager

13-Mar-09 07:47 PM 

I don't suppose it's great for the promoters, either. My bet is that Loeb won't have much trouble keeping his lead on day two despite "cleaning" the road.



 Re: Cyprus Rally by blatant

13-Mar-09 08:56 PM 

For three stages...



 Re: Cyprus Rally by Chris B

13-Mar-09 10:17 PM 

For 5 new stages actually. But the last leg is only 3 stages altogether. Another great idea the promotors seem to like. What a brainstorm. Not much happening on day3 then and all over by 10am anyway....



 Re: Cyprus Rally by RonSkoda

14-Mar-09 09:03 AM 

Well I don't want to speak too soon, but it seems whatever they do or wherever they go in this "championship" the result is the same. We've had tarmac, snow, gravel&tarmac mix, the result is the same!

Currently, I have 6 of the top 8 tips dead right! Doubt I could manage that in IRC tipping all year!



 Re: Cyprus Rally by Chris B

14-Mar-09 10:12 AM 

Well, I did not tip Henning's Focus to fall apart on the rear bumper of a Mitsubishi L200. Up to that point my tips are spot on too!

Even a Loeb off has him still in a 50sec lead. And only 3 stages left on the last day. Knowning the FIA they will realise not much happens on last days, so we droop day3 completely. It would never cross their mind that having only 3 stages a day could be the pathetic reason.

Anyway, last stage had quite an interesting order in stage result only. So I trie to get motivated to watch this on EuroSport with Ockenga tonight.

So Petra Solbach in her Zitron Sara won the stage by 20sec, followed by younger brother Henrik Solbach, then Jeff Navikov, the Voort Lokus of Latvaaaala-Lachrchrtinen and Seppl Oga, who probably drives a Proton Satira Neon....



 Re: Cyprus Rally by Chris B

15-Mar-09 05:13 AM 

Some comments.

Never before I found WRC that boring. both championships look boring now with current points. And 6 similar events now in a row. I have followed day1* but on day 2 and 3 I only followed the last 2 stages of the day each.

* I even watched the TV. Not sure if EuroSport Germany and their Norbert Ockenga reported about the same event with all them Latvaaala-Lachrchrtinen, Amundo Ara-Uchrcho, Jeff Navikov. But seeing the cars on gravel tyres on asphalt was slower and very sideways, yet controllable. That's not bad, I tend to reverse froom my original opinion agreeing with Loeb on the inadequate tyres questions. Maybe the WRC tyres are too good and we should have less adequate tyres everywheere for spectacle.

Congrats to Séb and Daniel for win N°50.

But disagree with Colin of World Rally Radio of this being the greatest WRC driver ever. He maybe is, but there is no-one near challenging him, in difference to the other greats!

Petter's performance is very remarkable in this context. I know Cyprus is not a rally to judge performances, but Petter loke 20-30sec faster than Sordo on single stages, when the two of them are fighting for positions and Sordo has a works car and a newer model. How does this look on Wilson and Rautenbach? Even as a Peugeot fan I always rated Petter faster than Grönholm even, maybe the only man out there able to prove Loeb is human. It also seems to show even the old Xsara is still better than Subarus.

Finally, Patrick Sandell wins PWRC only after Araujo hits gearbox problems. What is wrong in PWRC in the last couple of years that S2000 cars are so rare and driven by 2nd rate drivers. Look at IRC, ERC and about every national rally, these S2000 cars should be 2-3sec per km faster than gN!



 Re: Cyprus Rally by blatant

15-Mar-09 09:30 PM 

I agree that Loeb is not the greatest driver, not by a long shot actually. Statistically he is, but stats are meaningless in the absence of competetion. He's like Michael Schumacher, sure he won a lot of races, but there are plenty of other drivers that could be rated above him.
To say that Loeb is far and away better than McRae, Sainz, Kankunnen, Rohrl, Mikkola, Alen, Makinen or Toivenen is just ridiculous.
With the standard in the WRC at the moment, I could be picking up championship points!!!



 Re: Cyprus Rally by RonSkoda

16-Mar-09 04:12 AM 

It's very hard to say whether Loeb is the best ever. Statistically he is, and at this rate 75 wins won't be far off. Maybe it is just not possible to compare drivers from different eras? Different cars, different events.. But I think it will be very hard for anyone to beat Loeb's records. He has what, nearly twice as many wins as anyone else now?

Re: Cyprus. Yeah, it was pretty boring. Only real interest was Petter's performance. Portugal might provide more of a fight as Seb will be sweeping on day one.

But I think there are a couple of people deluding themselves about Cyprus. One is Mikko Hirvonen who keeps saying Loeb is beatable and that he was faster on days two and three. But you have to remember that Loeb was sweeping both of these days, and probably also cruising to some extent as he already had a big lead. Second is Wilson/Stobart clan. 5th is not a bad result for Matthew, but he was still 6 minutes off the pace and his stage win only came once everyone else was cruising for the finish.

Re: Sandell, I agree. The S2000s should be much faster than the Grp N cars although muddy and twisty gravel is probably least suited to the S2000 cars. When Hanninen and Aigner drove their Evo IXs on Portugal last year they got their asses severely kicked by the S2000 cars. However, I am kind of happy that Sandell is not beating them by too much, otherwise the S2000 cars would probably weigh 1.5 tonnes by the end of the year....



 Re: Cyprus Rally by Chris B

17-Mar-09 06:56 AM 

"However, I am kind of happy that Sandell is not beating them by too much, otherwise the S2000 cars would probably weigh 1.5 tonnes by the end of the year...."

...and rev 4000rpm max!

For Wilson, great he won a stage, but general consens is indeed in 5th he was even over 4min behind 4th place! And...

"But I think there are a couple of people deluding themselves about Cyprus. One is Mikko Hirvonen who keeps saying Loeb is beatable and that he was faster on days two and three. But you have to remember that Loeb was sweeping both of these days, and probably also cruising to some extent as he already had a big lead."

This fits in with my earlier comment and blatant's post.

"To say that Loeb is far and away better than McRae, Sainz, Kankunnen, Rohrl, Mikkola, Alen, Makinen or Toivenen is just ridiculous.
With the standard in the WRC at the moment, I could be picking up championship points!!!"

In the current competitiveness of WRC I could pick up makes points with a bicycle!

I have deepest respect for Loeb and I am a fan of his. He surely is one of the true all time greats, but the problem is he is the only one there is. Several insiders and journalists repeatedly saying he is the best of all time is in my eyes way over the top.

Maybe it is difficult to compare eras, but within reason you can analyse why this is. Of course there is more and shorter rallies, different points systems and above all soupcraprally, giving even Jari-Matti Latvala a finishing ratio 15 percent higher than Marcus Grönholm! Main point really is for me lack of general competition in current WRC. I still believe 10-15 drivers in IRC would slot it right between Loeb and the rest, while i.e. Walter Röhrl in his prime time had to live with Mikkola, Waldegaard, Alen, Salonen, Vatanen, Toivonen. Juha Kankkunen in his prime time had to live with Sainz, Auriol, Biasion, Mäkinen, McRae.

Picking up from blatant's words, and what Ron said about Hirvonen, Mikko is a good guy, but he is not in the leage as Röhrl, Mikkola, Salonen, Vatanen, C.McRae, and all the others, giving a hint why Loeb breaks all records so easily.

I am sure at any other time Loeb would still be a star and win many. But as it is now, I can well see Loeb winning every single round of the season. I sound like stuck record, but in 2002 the FIA started fiddling with the WRC rules to the stupidity we have today because we all thought the Grönholm-Peugeot show in 2002 was boring. 2002 was still a season in which 7 different drivers in 4 different makes of cars won WRC rallies! Then came the Loeb show, but by all respect the Loeb show came in line with - a partly rule effected, see 3-car teams - decline in competition!

Off subject, though maybe I should annoy you in stating Cyprus was also boring because it was Cyprus and the start of 6 identical no-name rallies in a row :-)


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