New (cheaper?) S2000 on the way?

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New (cheaper?) S2000 on the way?

Postby RonSkoda » 20 Jul 2011 17:52

Chris mentioned to me that Peugeot are hoping to develop a new cheaper 1.6T S2000 for the future based on the 208. Some come on Chris, spill the beans!

The "S1600T" RRC cars seem to have been a failure in terms of replacing S2000 because they are much more expensive and too close the the WRCar in spec.
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Re: New (cheaper?) S2000 on the way?

Postby rv65 » 20 Jul 2011 20:48

I've already posted this information before. GPWeek says that that a new 1.6T formula is in the works. It would be based on R3 cars, but will have a spec 4WD system and more HP. This is to replace N4 and possibly R4. The FiA is unsure what the future holds for Subaru and Mitsubishi, so this would be an alternative to those cars. This new formula would debut in 2013. Check out the R4 replaces N4 thread, towards the end, I've posted some info on it.
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Re: New (cheaper?) S2000 on the way?

Postby RonSkoda » 26 Jul 2011 09:15

More info on this here: http://www.maxrally.com/news/entry/chea ... y_planned/

Good news, then maybe Skoda and Peugeot can stay in sWRC/IRC in the future with Fabia3 "S2000" and 208 "S2000"...
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Re: New (cheaper?) S2000 on the way?

Postby rv65 » 26 Jul 2011 21:49

Yep, that is the new formula for sure. Fits in with the GPWeek article. I've did hear that these would be based on R cars and will use a 1.6T. Citroen could make the DS3 R3 produce around 300 HP, if they had wanted to. It would require a larger restrictor and some tuning, but that doesn't cost a lot. Using a larger restrictor is a cheap way to make more HP in a rally car. They cost literally nothing, yet the teams charge a lot of money to do so. 100,000 EUR is a little optimistic IMO. A DS3 R3 costs around 100,000 EUR, and a N4 Subaru is around 120,000 EUR. That of course is retail, and nobody pays retail for those cars :P. Retail is always more expensive, but those who run the cars always tend to save money on these types of things.
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Re: New (cheaper?) S2000 on the way?

Postby rv65 » 03 Aug 2011 09:19

Maybe this is designed to be a replacement for the N4/R4 cars that might not have much of a future.
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Re: New (cheaper?) S2000 on the way?

Postby ewanr » 04 Aug 2011 11:11

I agree, the R4 class so far has been the biggest waste of time, effort and money for an unnoticed performance gain imo.
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Re: New (cheaper?) S2000 on the way?

Postby rv65 » 16 Aug 2011 19:09

This is just another kit car class, that will likely get too expensive, as the FiA never puts in enough restrictions. I'm sure these things will make more power than the current R3 cars. DS3 R3T can make 240 HP on high octane fuel, so 280 to 300 HP shouldn't be too difficult.
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Re: New (cheaper?) S2000 on the way?

Postby rv65 » 22 Aug 2011 20:18

http://mag.gpweek.com/

New class will be called R4T and Quesnel sez that his team is developing a DS3 R4T. R4T's are based on R3's but have a spec 4WD system. However, the price has now been raised to 170,000 EUR, which is more than an R4 at retail from Tommi Makinen and the likes. Gerard Quinn wants this price to stay at this level, even in the future. Peugeot is working on a 208 R4T, and so is Citroen. This will likely replace all the N4's and R4 cars out there. FiA thinks this could work, but I doubt it.
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Re: New (cheaper?) S2000 on the way?

Postby rv65 » 10 Sep 2011 18:59

R4T will be announced at the WMSC in December.

It will have 4WD, 1.6T, 5 speed sequential gearbox, and will be around 150k EUR.
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