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Re: Proton

Postby RonSkoda » 02 Jul 2010 19:40

Well after Proton's problems in Ypres last weekend they head to New Zealand this weekend, they claim with a cure for the engine problem. I will be following their performance closely. Here are a couple of videos which show the Proton can last whole stages and doesn't seem to perform too bad on reasonably smooth gravel events:



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Re: Proton

Postby RonSkoda » 03 Jul 2010 18:02

Well after day one of Rally Whangarei, Chris Atkinson did retire but with an alternator problem. McRae is still going, although pace is a little disappointing - but he did speed up in the afternoon's stages.
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Re: Proton

Postby RonSkoda » 04 Jul 2010 07:25

Proton's pace seemed a bit better on day 2 of Whangarei. Atkinson did retire on SS14 again with mechanical problems but Alister McRae finished 4th without any major problems on a 280KM rally.
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Re: Proton

Postby ChrisB » 06 Jul 2010 11:04

Hmm, according to Proton's info Alister finished 2nd overall, but beaten by Haydon Paddon in a gN Lancer, which isn't good enough in an IRC field. Chris Atkinson was faster than Alister here, but he had the problems that Ron described.
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Re: Proton

Postby Sulland » 06 Jul 2010 16:45

Have they found the engine problem that killed them in IRC ?
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Re: Proton

Postby ChrisB » 06 Jul 2010 17:31

Sulland wrote:Have they found the engine problem that killed them in IRC ?

That's only an IRC trick they will try in Barum again LOL. Not sure if they completely found it. It seems to have been a material fault of a supplier, but that doesn't explain why it was the 2nd cylinder and the inlet valve in all 3 failures! Even if it was a material fault and it is therefore initially solved, there must be more stress on this specific valve than on the others, and that can't be left as this, I guess.

Fact is that in NZ Alister's car ran without the tiniest fault throughout the event. Don't know about Atko's day2 problem, but his initial retirement was not even the alternator, but a snapped alternator bracket, which is just one of those luck things, nothing that couldn't be sorted.
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Re: Proton

Postby RonSkoda » 17 Jul 2010 17:11

Proton are going to do Barum and Scotland, plus maybe one more IRC this year.
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Re: Proton

Postby ChrisB » 20 Jul 2010 08:09

They are not doing Madeira & San Remo then?
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Re: Proton

Postby RonSkoda » 20 Jul 2010 08:34

ChrisB wrote:They are not doing Madeira & San Remo then?


Nope :( Not unless Sanremo is the "possibly one more"
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Re: Proton

Postby ewanr » 24 Jul 2010 17:56

Proton want to concentrate on APRC this year but I think Tom Cave will enter more rounds as he is semi-works and dosen't just have to enter same rounds as the works team.The works team will still enter at least 2 more rounds of irc this year though, with one certainly being Rally Scotland in October.
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Re: Proton

Postby RonSkoda » 25 Jul 2010 07:57

Hello Ewanr,

I would be surprised to see Tom Cave any more than the works team, as although he runs his car privately he is supported on event by the works team, and if they are not there...
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Re: Proton

Postby RonSkoda » 26 Jul 2010 08:25

Interesting update on Proton here: http://www.rallye-info.com/article.asp?stid=8856

They have been doing a lot of testing mainly on engine reliability; will follow Queensland with interest and hope to see them back in IRC soon.
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Re: Proton

Postby ewanr » 07 Aug 2010 18:20

niall mcshea and keith cronin could drive for the factory team in barum instead of mcrae and atkinson
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Re: Proton

Postby ChrisB » 11 Aug 2010 01:04

ewanr wrote:niall mcshea and keith cronin could drive for the factory team in barum instead of mcrae and atkinson

Actually reality, thanks ewanr!

http://www.rallye-info.com/article.asp?stid=8898
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Re: Proton

Postby Sulland » 21 Dec 2010 09:03

I really hope Proton gets their engine to be more drivable and durable, and that they see the coup they have done by signing PG - Keep him on !
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Re: Proton

Postby RonSkoda » 24 Dec 2010 09:23

The Proton team are going to be featured on the new series of motoring comedy Top Gear.
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Re: Proton

Postby RonSkoda » 29 Mar 2011 18:22

Latest Proton news: http://www.rallye-info.com/article.asp?sid=0&stid=9204

Reiger suspension is a good move (Skoda and Ford also use it)

It is good to hear they are constantly bringing on new developments; hopefully there will be some progress on reliability too.
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Re: Proton

Postby RonSkoda » 03 Apr 2011 08:59

Chris Atkinson just won the Malaysian Rally (first round of the APRC) for Proton and McRae came third after some early overheating problems.

With the changes to the car this weekend they definitely made some improvement in speed and reliability. Atkinson made an interesting point in that as well as improving the traction, the better dampers mean less bad shocks are transmitted to the rest of the car and this is maybe what is improving reliability.
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Re: Proton

Postby ewanr » 04 Apr 2011 23:09

Good to see Proton are trying everything to improve but we will only be able see how much the developments have paid off after irc rally canarias. You would expect a decent S2000 to beat GPN cars thesedays but it was good to hear that Atko won by around 2mins with a puncture I believe. Also read in autosport that alister mcrae will definitely be back fo rally scotland this year and is still hoping for further IRC outings.
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Re: Proton

Postby ChrisB » 22 Apr 2011 16:47

ewanr wrote:Good to see Proton are trying everything to improve but we will only be able see how much the developments have paid off after irc rally canarias. You would expect a decent S2000 to beat GPN cars thesedays....

And what's the verdict with Canarias over? PG had the bad luck again with the punctures. Basso did a good job I think. Interesting in the Canarias final results was that Monte we had 9th-Basso/Peugeot, 10th Gardemeister/Peugeot, in Canarias we had 9th-Basso/Proton, 10th Gardemeister/Skoda. I would have expected a bit more in terms of pace maybe. But Basso seemed to be musing a lot about a car that is understeering in slow corners and oversteering in fast ones, which means he is thinking a lot and may be onto something. I still believe the main problem for the Proton is the engine, and we won't see real improvement here until we have a Lotus based 1.6T rather than the old Renault 2.0 Astma err Atmo, which is planned but takes a while. If nothing else, both cars ran all rally without major problems, which must have been really odd to the Proton mechanics, have they ever seen a car coming back to service after action on an IRC round?
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