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Mini WRC project

Postby RonSkoda » 27 Jul 2010 21:44

Now it has been confirmed: http://wrc.rallye-info.com/article.asp?sid=16&stid=8862

.... so I thought it would be a good time to start it's own thread.

Interesting observation is that the car in the sketch is wearing BFGoodrich tyres :)

The big question is who they go for driver wise. Good lineup IMO would be P Solberg/Meeke.
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Re: Mini WRC project

Postby rv65 » 27 Jul 2010 23:13

Engine will come from BMW Motorsport and it will probably share the same basic design as the DS3 WRC. Gronholm has been linked to this project and he might drive next year, but he is also driving for X-Raid in Dakar. Kris Meeke, and Guy Wilks are also listed as possible driver. We all know that Mads Ostberg will likely driving this car as he is quite loyal to prodrive. He will drive for ADAPTA, but Prodrive will service the car for him. So basically, ADAPTA would be an M2 team for this car. Mini want's to win a WRC title within 3 years of this car coming out. This could easily happen if VW is the only other team competing in the WRC. If Ford and Citroen pull out then it wouldn't be a problem. We shall see if this car will win. Mini does want this car to succeed despite it's bodyshell.
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Re: Mini WRC project

Postby rv65 » 28 Jul 2010 21:11

Marcus Gronholm was supposedly in England working out a deal with Prodrive for next year.
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Re: Mini WRC project

Postby rv65 » 29 Jul 2010 20:30

The Mini WRCar picture tha has been accompanied in the press release is actually an artists rendition. The real car won't actually look like the artists rendition at all. This is from totalrally radio from a person who has a seen the actual car.
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Re: Mini WRC project

Postby rv65 » 31 Jul 2010 10:08

WRC.com has an interesting podcast about Mini and Prodrive had a list of cars and potential manufacturers, but Mini originally wasn't on the list. David Richards said the regular Mini, wasn't a good base for a WRCar, as he felt there were many issues that they didn't want to take. When the Countryman came out, then it was perfect for Prodrive. DR did say that they wanted to make the Ultimate WRCar with the new regulations. Definitely check out the podcast and he thinks the WRC is only big enough to allow more than 4 successful manufacturers. So he is saying that there should only be no more than 4 manufacturers :P.
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Re: Mini WRC project

Postby Sulland » 31 Jul 2010 11:04

What he said that was very interesting was the piece on the structure of teams. He said they needed to look at the manufacturer structure vs supported privateer teams. He said the advantage of the manufacturer teams are too big today, and that FIA should look into how to improve the chance of the privat teams to get more even.

Music to my ears !
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Re: Mini WRC project

Postby rv65 » 03 Aug 2010 07:16

The Mini Countryman isn't all that big as you might think. It's around 161 inches long, which is only 5 to 8 inches longer than the other S2000 based WRC's for next year.
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Re: Mini WRC project

Postby rv65 » 07 Aug 2010 04:48

Word on the irish streets say that Eammon Bolland has purchased a Mini WRCar. Though he might be leasing or renting one. Maybe he is going to drive for Mini next year, or will race in the WRC or Irish championship in a privateer Mini.
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Re: Mini WRC project

Postby rv65 » 08 Aug 2010 07:06

Prodrive should be getting the 1.6T from BMW, later this year, but there are still some components that need to be finalized, and that the car looks like the road going Countryman, since prodrive doesn't have all the aero parts installed on the car, and the body kit.
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Re: Mini WRC project

Postby rv65 » 20 Aug 2010 22:11

Prodrive will happily sell you a Mini Countryman WRC for the incredibly low price of 345,000 GBP. For that you get the same world-renowned BMW 1.6T engine and the very same Getrag gearbox found in the works cars. There is also a 2 year warranty and a dedicated engineer that will accompany you on all events.

At the current GBP to EUR exchange rates it's around 421,765 EUR. So much for these new regulations allowing for cheaper rally cars.

A more rounded price would be 422,000 EUR.
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Re: Mini WRC project

Postby rv65 » 20 Aug 2010 22:15

There was a video at WRC.com that showed David Richards finalizing the Mini WRC deal. Prodrive originally designed a generic rally car for the new regulations, that could be of any manufacturer. Prodrive talked to many different manufacturers, including Mazda. Mini wasn't even on their list until the Countryman was first being rumored. Prodrive have been working on this project, early last year.

Don't underestimate kit car engineers. An experience Kit Car engineer can overcome the issues with the Countryman.
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Re: Mini WRC project

Postby rv65 » 25 Aug 2010 03:59

http://www.autoweek.com/article/20100822/WRC/100829971

At the end of this article, Mini will be competing in certain British events, as a part of the development program, for the Mini Countryman WRC.
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Re: Mini WRC project

Postby rv65 » 27 Aug 2010 04:56

Mini will start testing, late next month with Gronholm and Martin. Prodrive has selected a "Top Secret" test course in Huelva Spain, in some nice roads, that are made for this brand new rally car.
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Re: Mini WRC project

Postby rv65 » 30 Aug 2010 02:54

Totalrally seems to think that PG Andersson will be joining Mini for next year.
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Re: Mini WRC project

Postby rv65 » 03 Sep 2010 08:05

http://www.autocar.co.uk/News/NewsArticle/Mini/252531/

It's official, but don't rule out Gronholm or Ostberg. I could see Ostberg in an Adapta M2 team. PG Andersson really wants to drive for Mini. Gronholm will be doing some tests in Portugal, but the Mini was recently tested at Prodrive's "top secret" test course in Warwick.
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Re: Mini WRC project

Postby rv65 » 03 Sep 2010 08:13

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/86310

Kris Meeke said that he is focused on driving his Peugeot 207 this year, but next year he must focus on driving the Mini, and making sure it's a good car for 2012. TotalRally said that the Countryman could make its debut at next years Rallye Portugal.
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Re: Mini WRC project

Postby AndyRAC » 03 Sep 2010 10:09

Both say 'reported', is it official yet? When I last went on both the Prodrive and Mini websites there was nothing about it.
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Re: Mini WRC project

Postby ChrisB » 05 Sep 2010 12:20

It's not official, but hmmm, let's say after Quesnel's comments about how serious Peugeot takes IRC and the IRC spirit being spoiled by works teams like Skoda ..... and Bouffier and Ogier and Sarrazin .... I do see Kris in a Mini next year.

Also Marcus Grönholm, remember the reason he stopped were the silly WRC rules, Bosse did not want to stop rallying, it is his passion, but he also wanted to have a life with his wife, kids and restaurant. Bosse becoming a test driver is a superb idea for both sides.

I still am not convinced however the Mini being heavy with high CoG is going to cahllenge DS3 & Fiesta. I also don't quite see what Prodrive has been developing all that time when transmissions are supposed to be custom items and the dimensions and suspension possibilities of the car is not identified.
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Re: Mini WRC project

Postby ChrisB » 05 Sep 2010 12:25

Slight correction, since there is a long discussion in another thread about this. I do see potential in the Mini, I just believe people must be warned the BMW Mini is nothing like the BMC Mini, which won rallies for being nimble and efficient. I could believe, after a couple of years, the Mini can win rallies, and it can win stages. But I do see somehow an order as we had a couple of years ago, Ford and Citroen being the dominators, Mini being were Subaru was, maybe slightly better and VW being were Suzuki was, the laughing stock.
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Re: Mini WRC project

Postby rv65 » 05 Sep 2010 20:01

There are 2 versions of the Countryman, the S2000 version and the WRC version. The S2000 version is the one that is 346,000 GBP, while the WRC version is even more expensive :shock:. Mirek Fric said that these cars are WRC lite vehicles, or detuned WRCars.
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