FIA to replace Group N4 with R4

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Re: FIA to replace Group N4 with R4

Postby Sulland » 16 Dec 2010 15:48

rv65 wrote:R4 is classified as S-WRC, and will coexist with N4.

Renault has no plans for a gravel Megane RS N4, as that car is for tarmac only.


So far, that is what renault has said, but if thet car show potential, someone - RenaultSport or others will develop it for gravel use !!
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Re: FIA to replace Group N4 with R4

Postby rv65 » 17 Dec 2010 10:14

Tommi Makinen is developing a R4 Impreza for next year. He must be doing ok financially, since he also owns a company that does events. Some of those events include ATV Safaris, Riding in a N4 car, N4 driving experience, meetings, and more.
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Re: FIA to replace Group N4 with R4

Postby rv65 » 19 Dec 2010 21:15

Tommi is either developing or not developing an Impreza R4. Some say he is waiting on the final R4 regulations, or the car is actively in development.

R4 could very well be a lighter N4 with some enhancements to the suspension. Restrictor might stay at 33mm. All this lighter weight material adds to the cost. Not sure if sequential gearboxes will be in the regulation, but Araujo's car at Monza had one.
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Re: FIA to replace Group N4 with R4

Postby rv65 » 02 Jan 2011 04:15

Phill Mills' car prep company is offering MKII escorts for around 110,000 to 120,000 GBP (130,000-140,000 EUR). It's not that much less than a N4 car, but it's built with only the best components, and they are at the top of it's class for a historic car. Not only that, the MKII Escort is far more exciting than an N4 car. Plus the depreciation is much better on an MKII escort, than on an N4 Lancer or Impreza.
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Re: FIA to replace Group N4 with R4

Postby rv65 » 07 Jan 2011 22:22

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Re: FIA to replace Group N4 with R4

Postby Sulland » 08 Jan 2011 14:04

Did you find anything on exhaust system in the homologation, I did not and does that mean that it will be the same as N4 ?
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Re: FIA to replace Group N4 with R4

Postby rv65 » 26 Jan 2011 05:47

Quesnel isn't opposed to a R4 car. He thinks it will be a great way to train young drivers into the WRC. I've looked at the regulations and it doesn't require the manufacturer to build 2500 road going homologation specials, just to build a rally car. Now it sounds like R4 can become another kit car class that are supposedly based off of production cars.

Olivier Quesnel: "Concerning the competition/client department we’re interested in a possible ‘FIA R4’ set of regulations, which will help to develop R3-type cars with 4-wheel drive. It would be a fantastic tool for training young drivers.”


This is the quote from Quesnel concerning Citroen and R4.

Tommi Makinen is working on an R4 Impreza and they should debut it sometime in May, with Jonas Lindroos driving it in the Finnish Rally Championship. Parts are supposed to be homologated by March, making a May debut likely.
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Re: FIA to replace Group N4 with R4

Postby rv65 » 03 Feb 2011 23:27

Total Rally interviewed George Donaldson and he discussed R4 with Clarky, and he said some interesting things. He said a few things about S2000, and how it was supposed to be an affordable rally car with N4 like performance. As we all know, S2000 is a kit car formula and the price went up along with the performance. R4 is more like a kit car, and all the rubber in the suspension is gone, along with altered suspension geometry. A few things were changed to give the cars better ride height, and the suspension mounting points were changed as well. Plastic windows are now allowed, the weight is down to 1300 kg, but Mitsu might have some issues with that. Donaldson wanted even more things done to R4, but the FIA homologation people said no. Eventually, the FIA will change R4 to make it even more of a kit car formula.
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Re: FIA to replace Group N4 with R4

Postby ChrisB » 03 Feb 2011 23:39

rv65 wrote:He said a few things about S2000, and how it was supposed to be an affordable rally car with N4 like performance. As we all know, S2000 is a kit car formula and the price went up along with the performance.

And everybody with half a brain predicted exactly that, the only people who did not see this coming are the rule makers. And that despite F2 and S1600 being the same story.
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Re: FIA to replace Group N4 with R4

Postby TWRC » 06 Feb 2011 20:53

The price of the Mitsu R4 kit is now public. It costs 25980 Euros, and includes a gerabox, a rear diff, modified doors and bonnet, and a light-weight dashboard. The price is decreased by 3000 Euros until the end of the month.
I'm really excited how the car's going to perform.
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Re: FIA to replace Group N4 with R4

Postby TWRC » 06 Feb 2011 21:06

TWRC wrote:The price of the Mitsu R4 kit is now public. It costs 25980 Euros, and includes a gerabox, a rear diff, modified doors and bonnet, and a light-weight dashboard. The price is decreased by 3000 Euros until the end of the month.
I'm really excited how the car's going to perform.

And here's the pdf with the parts list: http://ptfoto.xf.cz/R4.pdf
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Re: FIA to replace Group N4 with R4

Postby rv65 » 13 Feb 2011 10:42

R4 is still a glorified N4 car with even more kit car parts. If George Donaldson had his way, it would gone even further into a Group A like Kit car.
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Re: FIA to replace Group N4 with R4

Postby rv65 » 15 Feb 2011 08:54

Like I said, the Megane RS is a N4 not an R4. FIA isn't allowing FWD R4 cars ATM.
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Re: FIA to replace Group N4 with R4

Postby rv65 » 21 Mar 2011 05:20

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xhpyti ... -2011_auto

It's in the video section, but this car is pretty quick, and it has a good ALS system.
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Re: FIA to replace Group N4 with R4

Postby rv65 » 21 Mar 2011 05:22

Then again, maybe a 2WD BRC might allow a car like the Megane to compete. That car would probably be better than amateur R2 and R3 cars.
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Re: FIA to replace Group N4 with R4

Postby rv65 » 21 Mar 2011 05:33

Megane N4 not R4 costs around 57,500 EUR for the kit. I would expect at least 90-100,000 EUR before it's all said and done. Maybe more with the optional extras, if there are any.
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Re: FIA to replace Group N4 with R4

Postby ChrisB » 21 Mar 2011 14:20

Now this car seems a good spectacle! I was a bit surprised Renault is to make a 2WD N4 car. But in price it compares to an R3, if not slightly cheaper, is maybe 50BHP and loads of torque up on an R3, and why not in BRC, that is the sorts of car I want to see (and hear).
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Re: FIA to replace Group N4 with R4

Postby rv65 » 23 Mar 2011 02:39

Renault is planning more upgrades, to make this car even better on tarmac than the current crop of N4/R4 machines. It will also compete in the Tour De Corse, which is a good thing.
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Re: FIA to replace Group N4 with R4

Postby rv65 » 24 Mar 2011 02:30

http://www.rallybuzz.com/onboard-renaul ... touquet-1/

Guigou's thoughts on the Megane N4 and the rally itself.
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Re: FIA to replace Group N4 with R4

Postby rv65 » 25 Mar 2011 20:59

I don't think we will see it in the BRC in the near future, as Renault has no real plan for a gravel version of this car. A successful VW WRC program is more likely than Renault developing a gravel kit for the Megane N4.
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