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DS3 R3

Postby rv65 » 04 Jul 2010 01:05

http://www.autoblog.com/2010/07/02/citr ... er-combat/

Citroen has finally released the DS3 R3 or R3T. It has a semi automatic gearbox, with flappy paddles on the back of the steering wheel. Power comes from a 1.6T making 210 HP with a 29mm restrictor. It's available as a DIY kit or a ready built competition vehicle. All the driver has to do is add the safety harness, seat, and the fire extinguisher. Maybe it's not 100 percent turn key, but Citroen said it will be affordably priced. I doubt that, as it sounds like it will be the most expensive R3 car out there. Probably more expensive than the Clio. I expect it to be over 80,000 EUR. More like 90 to 100,000 EUR. The initial DS3 WRC spyshots were actually this car.
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Re: DS3 R3

Postby M4dmike » 04 Jul 2010 11:05

sounds like a terribbly interesting packaage to me
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Re: DS3 R3

Postby rv65 » 05 Jul 2010 22:53

There is also an R3D class that uses Diesel engines. This makes it perfect for VW and I'm sure they would be the only ones interested in that class.
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Re: DS3 R3

Postby ChrisB » 06 Jul 2010 10:54

I am not sure the DS3 R3T is going to be the most expensive, turbo engines tend to be cheaper when it comes to tuning. I remember the 207 RC R3T is something not much over 25,000 Euros as a kit like that, however that is for a cup and has no paddle shifter and no ultimately tuned engine. Wasn't the 207 RC R3T for a circuit racing cup down at 20,500 Euros using the 210BHP engine mapping?

On the R3D, there is since 2 years a Fiat Grande Punto in that class, often driven by Marco Cavigioli, best result in IRC so far was 14th overall, but that was China 2008, not that promising.
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Re: DS3 R3

Postby rv65 » 06 Jul 2010 16:41

Rumor has it that the FIA is working on a R4 class which is a Turbo class with 4WD, sequential or flappy paddle gearbox, less weight, and the other various components allowed in the R class. It would be like a Group N4+. Maybe the FIA wants to get rid of Group N4 and replace them with R4 cars which could end up being more expensive, but I doubt it. As long as the R class has strict cost controls then it should be fairly affordable. The FIA should ban S1600's and replace them with cheap R-cars. A DS3 R3T is still much less expensive than a C2 S1600. Citroen could sell quite a bit of DS3 R3T's if the FIA banned S1600 cars.
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Re: DS3 R3

Postby ChrisB » 06 Jul 2010 17:26

Indeed the S1600 class doesn't make sense even today. A Clio R3 is allowed in JWRC and has proven slightly faster at half price and probably a quarter of the running cost compared to a Clio S1600. They are better in sound and more spectacular to watch than a Clio with kit car suspension also.
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Re: DS3 R3

Postby rv65 » 06 Jul 2010 23:32

The DS3 R3 kit costs around 62,000 EUR minus the donor car and assembly. An assembled version would probably cost over 100,000 EUR.

http://www.piecescitroensport.citroen.c ... ation1.pdf
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Re: DS3 R3

Postby rv65 » 07 Jul 2010 07:21

Of course that price doesn't include optional "extras" that will drive up the cost even more. If the R4's don't get to be that expensive, then it could be a good class. Otherwise, it would only be reserved to drivers who have more money than talent. The bozo's at the FIA should abolish Group N4's and replace them with R4 cars if they are just as good as the Group N4's which I doubt.
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Re: DS3 R3

Postby rv65 » 03 Aug 2010 05:56



Here is Dani Sordo driving the DS3 R3 around some sort of track. It definitely has anti lag for sure.
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Re: DS3 R3

Postby ChrisB » 06 Aug 2010 14:07

Now that looks spectacular (even on a race track) and sounds great. I am sure it could have more than 210BHP, and why not flames.
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Re: DS3 R3

Postby rv65 » 07 Aug 2010 04:43

The ALS system is being tuned for reliability and not flame throwing excitement. Remember, R3 is supposed to be a cheap rally car and the 29 mm restrictor does help give it a nice sound. I do think it's one of the best sounding R3 cars out on the market. There was an ad for a Clio R3 that made around 250 cv which is around 240-245 HP, in my form of power measurement.
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Re: DS3 R3

Postby ChrisB » 10 Aug 2010 21:49

rv65 wrote:and the 29 mm restrictor does help give it a nice sound.

That's interesting. The DS3 R3T surely sounds a little beefy with nice ALS effects - interestingly more so on lift off than on gear change. However one engineer's talk I have followed a while back was that N4 cars sound so crap exactly because of their small air restrictor, which is still significantly larger than on the R3T - the restrictor restricts the air, obviously, and does it so much that beyond 4500rpm the engines can't breath and lose their power in an instant, hence the early gear changes and dull base engine sound....
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Re: DS3 R3

Postby rv65 » 11 Aug 2010 03:45

R3T cars used to have a 28mm restrictor. Now it's 29mm.
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Re: DS3 R3

Postby rv65 » 06 Apr 2011 04:24

Marty McCormack is driving BG-080-CA.
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Re: DS3 R3

Postby rv65 » 18 May 2012 22:53

http://www.ffsa.org/article.php?id=25100

Citroen has built around 100 DS3 R3's. That is a lot of cars, so this program must be successful.
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Re: DS3 R3

Postby rv65 » 26 Nov 2012 05:11

Classe R3 not really faire. If you have no DS 3 ( turbo ) it's difficult to win ..


Eddy Chevallier said that, and maybe he is correct that R3T is better than R3 non T. It also appears that the Citroen is the car to beat in R3.
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Re: DS3 R3

Postby ChrisB » 27 Nov 2012 12:06

Interesting thought. The DS3R3 is the only R3 with T? Oh, except the Abarth 500, but that only has a 1400cc engine? I was always a turbo believer, but is the gap really so big? In the BRC this year there were a couple events where the Clio R3nonT seemed to be very competitive against the Citroens.

Maybe it is a return to the good old regs times, we now have proof that the DS3 is a very good base/road car and also with the varying concepts chances change by character of events?

That all said, if the DS3 R3T is the car to beat in R3, the Fiesta seems even more the car to beat in R2, even though it is having competition from C2 & Twingo.
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Re: DS3 R3

Postby ChrisB » 27 Nov 2012 19:46

After DS3 R3 & DS3 RRC comes DS3 R1:

http://citroen.rallye-info.com/article. ... stid=10525
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Re: DS3 R3

Postby rv65 » 04 Dec 2012 23:42

DS3 R1 is R1B since it has a 1.6L engine. Toyota is the only one to have a R1A (1.4 NA). I have also heard that some drivers are replacing their non F2 kit cars with R cars, since it is easier to get parts for them, even though a Felicia kit car likely provides a better show. DS3 R3 is doing quite well actually and Citroen has sold a bunch of them. I think they sold like 100 of them or something like that. It must depend on the event, but I think there are events where the DS3 has an advantage over the Clio, since the DS3 has a turbo and more torque than the Clio.
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Re: DS3 R3

Postby rv65 » 18 Dec 2012 09:43

DS3 R1B seems to be Tarmac only as there is no gravel kit AFAIK.
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