Mitsubishi Lancer Evo/WRC thread

[Kraft]

Hi all,
What happened to the Lancer WRC 04 "KX 53 BKY" ? this car has run during the 2004 WRC season and has run at Rallye Monte-Carlo 2004 with Gilles Panizzi :



but I do not know what this car became in the futur ...

Thank you in advance,

Peter.

[ChrisB]

Hi Peter,

Welcome to the forum.

KX53 BKY had a busy life and on photos you have to be careful as on not 100% clear photos I found it is easy to mix up with KX53 BKV.

And at the start of the forum I had a mistake when I named it a WRC05. I wanted to make it clear this is none of the first lot of Lancer WRC (called Step1 & Step2 in 2001-2002), but BKY has in fact started life as a WRC04 and was sold at the end of 04, so likely never converted to a WRC05.

KX53 BKY did:
Monte 04 - Panizzi - 6th
Mexico 04 - Panizzi - 8th
Cyprus 04 - Sohlberg - rtd engine
Turkey 04 - Galli - 10th
Finland 04 - Sohlberg - rtd crash (registered AC-3016)

After that to my data it has been sold to RallyRent in Finland (but the AC-3016 reg plate is no identification for this as that was a rtime limited and no permanent Finnish registration). However then I have never seen the car again and in fact I don't remember where I had that info from. Maybe I (or my source) became victim of exactly what I warned before, as Kaj Kuistila, who is connected to the RallyRent company, rallied KX53 BKV in Finland 2007, which is such a long time later that one can assume BKV definitely ended up in Finland.

In WRC events I guess mistaking one for the other is made a little easier, as BKV only started Monte 04 & Mexico 04 with Galli alongside BKY. Then - in difference to BKY - BKV was converted to WRC05 spec and was a WRC05 test car and therefore never again used on an actual WRC event until she was sold. There also was BKU, but in the British reg plate letter font the U is not so easy to mistake as V & Y is.

Sorry, not sure how much this helps. Probably not at all. I said earlier in the forum that BKY was sold to RallyRent Finland, but stupid me, only AFTER I started writing here I realised in my own database this seems to have been BKV and not BKY at all. So all I can say for definite is that BKY never was used by the works team after the 2004 season, either sold or scrapped at the end of that season. Sorry for writing rubbish.

[ChrisB]

Besides looking through my database and reg plates easy to mistake, there are 2 Lancer WRC nobody talks about, but they existed:
Chassis 1 - KX53 AOB
Chassis 2 - KX53 BFV
(See what I mean, BFV vs BKV) Both were test cars for the 2nd lot of Lancer WRC (WRC04 & WRC05). They both has chassis numbers, so they are not dreamed up and must be existing (or scrapped), but they never actually competed.

BKY had chassis 3 and such was the first 2nd lot Lancer WRC built for competition. (Note that the car, with new engineer Mario Fornaris, was so different to the original Lancer WRC in 2001-2002, that chassis numbers started with 1 again. For outsiders the Fornaris new Lancer WRC was to be identified by the shopping trolley handle rear spoiler to push Panizzi when he was too slow on gravel)

Poah, notes after notes, but once at it, maybe I should mention if you see the competition history of the car you are looking for, C003 KX53 BKY, following Monte Carlo 2004 she only competed on gravel, rough gravel at that. So it was not a tarmac car in the traditional sense. If Mitsubishi ever did anything like a tarmac car, these would be KN52 XBB, KN52 XBC and later KR05 ZKJ, ZKK & ZKL. But maybe it was coincidence, as these came near the end of both projects and it makes sense to use new cars for tarmac first.

[Kraft]

Hello,
thank you for the welcome ChrisB,
I dont speak English very well, I did not understand everything

KX53 BKY had a busy life and on photos you have to be careful as on not 100% clear photos I found it is easy to mix up with KX53 BKV.

Panizzi's car at MC04 is clearly the KX 53 BKY :


http://www.maxi-rally.com/V4/photos/lar ... _MC_27.jpg

and the KX 53 BKV was the car of Gigi Galli :

http://www.ewrc.cz/ewrc/image_browse.php?id=395
http://www.ewrc.cz/ewrc/image_browse.php?id=363
http://www.acm.mc/ramc/2004/picts/jeudi ... ISHI02.jpg

After that to my data it has been sold to RallyRent in Finland (but the AC-3016 reg plate is no identification for this as that was a rtime limited and no permanent Finnish registration). However then I have never seen the car again and in fact I don't remember where I had that info from. Maybe I (or my source) became victim of exactly what I warned before, as Kaj Kuistila, who is connected to the RallyRent company, rallied KX53 BKV in Finland 2007, which is such a long time later that one can assume BKV definitely ended up in Finland.

It's KX 53 BKV who has sold to a Rally Rent company, not KX 53 BKY ! But who bought the KX 53 BKV? Kaj Kuistila ? This car still runs?

I found this : http://www.rallyfahrer.info/index.php?o ... c&Itemid=5
the KX 53 BKY ended his life in the hands of Kristian Sohlberg at Neste Rally Finland 2004 apparently ... but where is this car now, since the Rally of Finland 2004

So all I can say for definite is that BKY never was used by the works team after the 2004 season, either sold or scrapped at the end of that season.

surely ...

Thank you again for your reply, I still looking some information on this KX 53 BKY ghost ...

Peter.

[kolkie]

I have serious doubts about the 'new' kp51 RWO, given that the roll-cage design does not match the actual design of the original.

That said: ran into this:

http://www.rally24.com/rally-cars-for-s ... r-685.html

And KN04 WLZ appears in this vid:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSZs-myn ... re=related

(2007-vid, so old stuff)

[rv65]

What made the Evo WRC such a bad car?

[TWRC]

I have serious doubts about the 'new' kp51 RWO, given that the roll-cage design does not match the actual design of the original.

That said: ran into this:

http://www.rally24.com/rally-cars-for-s ... r-685.html

And KN04 WLZ appears in this vid:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSZs-myn ... re=related

(2007-vid, so old stuff)

Yeah, later I found it out, too... The chassis looks like a simple E7, not a WRC. Just the team stated it's the original, but then they said it's the buck-up chassis for the real. So it's very interesting, but here's some pictures (not very good ones, but the main differences appear):
http://img836.imageshack.us/img836/2171/p1012064.jpg
http://img832.imageshack.us/img832/6674/p1012065.jpg
http://img826.imageshack.us/img826/7091/p1012067.jpg
http://img840.imageshack.us/img840/2877/p1012618.jpg
Henk Vossen rode with KR02 DLY at Rallye Deutschland, but it seemed that the car is absolutely out of shape, they were nearly an hour slower than Loeb, which I think a bit too much But I read that they discovered a big parts base in England, so maybe they can get some spares.

[kolkie]

Don't forget 2 things:

Loeb is 8 times winner vs. Vossen being an amature

There is an 8 year development gap between the 2 cars.

But I indeed am wondering if he is really happy with the car since it is *alot* less reliable then his group N car.

Anyhow, Bert de Jong entered 'his' WRC05 and finished 21st overall. I think this makes it the first WRC05 WRC-entry in a long, loooong time isn't it?

That said, I could have asked the MML guys walking there about how many cars they still got but they appeared busy. Will give it another try in a month.

[TWRC]

Don't forget 2 things:

Loeb is 8 times winner vs. Vossen being an amature

There is an 8 year development gap between the 2 cars.

But I indeed am wondering if he is really happy with the car since it is *alot* less reliable then his group N car.

Anyhow, Bert de Jong entered 'his' WRC05 and finished 21st overall. I think this makes it the first WRC05 WRC-entry in a long, loooong time isn't it?

That said, I could have asked the MML guys walking there about how many cars they still got but they appeared busy. Will give it another try in a month.

Of course Henk is not like Loeb, and that car was actually slower by 5 minutes than the top cars in '02... Maybe he can't drive it "normally" (like Delecour or other non-scandinavians). But I'm really happy that an old-school Lancer WRC is still running at least

[kolkie]

There is an early WRC for sale on rally24:

http://www.rally24.com/rally-cars-for-s ... r-685.html

but no chassis id. ?

Edit: it the same as earlier posted on rallycarsforsale.net, but then with a spanish salesperson ( check the last-rally-sticker on the door, rallitrak - 2).

[rv65]

http://www.rallycarsforsale.net/clas/in ... s&id=50056

Looks like an ex-works Makinen car!

[TWRC]

http://www.rallycarsforsale.net/clas/index.php?ct=fsrc&md=details&id=50056

Looks like an ex-works Makinen car!

I don't think so... "*Also available clubman grp a Mitsubishi Evo 4 *" So this means it is unfortunately not ex-works. But if I remember well, there's an ex-works Evo IV or V with a Burns design, and it was at Goodwood in '05 when Richard attended the event fot the last time...

[kolkie]

Looks like the car without ID in spain found a (not readable) license plate back and engine back in the UK:

http://www.rallycarsforsale.net/index.p ... s&id=50073

claimed to be 1 of the 7.

[ChrisB]

Does anyone have pics of Henk Vossen on Rallye Deutschland 2010?

[kolkie]

plenty to be found:





Also found out that the earlier found KR02 DLZ was used by Eamonn Boland in the Jim Clark Memorial 2004:



And that a certain Nesbitt/O'brien won the Donegal rally in 2006 with KX05 AUR

[ChrisB]

Thanks mate, great!

[kolkie]

The next challenge is going to be to determine who this is, and where it was, and where it now is

[TWRC]

Looks like the car without ID in spain found a (not readable) license plate back and engine back in the UK:

http://www.rallycarsforsale.net/index.p ... s&id=50073

claimed to be 1 of the 7.

As I could see the top of the characters on the plate, it may be KS51 XPN, but dunno...
Another question: Why stopped Ralliart running the Y() MMR-plated cars after 2001? The Y4 and Y5 attended Sweden and Y7 maybe saw 3 rallies, but what about Y2 and Y9? They demolished them? Or they got a new plate afterwards? Thx for the answers